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Today's Topics:
1. Re: aquygen - aqua oxygen fuel - the cure for Arab Oil ?
Check it out ! (Todd Tomason)
2. 4 hole Flywheel (NOT Flexplate!) work w/ 3 hole (Jesse)
3. NOS Uphostery Suppliers? ('65 Ambassador) (Andrew Drake)
4. Steve was a good hobby friend, saw him just a month ago
(hal.lynch@xxxxxxx)
5. AMC Upholstery (JOE FULTON)
6. AC Conversion (Don Johnson)
7. Re: 4 hole Flywheel (NOT Flexplate!) work w/ 3 hole (Jim Blair)
8. Electronic Ignition Conversion Question (Thomas, Jeff)
9. Re: Electronic Ignition Conversion Question
(msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
10. Re: Electronic Ignition Conversion Question (Sandwich Maker)
11. Electronic Ignition Changeover (Thomas, Jeff)
12. Re: AMC Upholstery (RetroRalph)
13. Re: Electronic Ignition Changeover (RetroRalph)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:21:56 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] aquygen - aqua oxygen fuel - the cure for Arab
Oil ? Check it out !
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Jerry,
Keep in mind that the patent proves nothing. A patent just means that he has
a unique design. It doesn't mean it works or meets his marketing claims. On
the surface this looks like a perpetual-motion-machine type of scam. He
seems to be claiming that he gets more energy out than he puts in. Time will
tell, I'm sure.
Later,
Todd
On Sunday 04 June 2006 15:11, Jerry Casper wrote:
> http://aquygen.blogspot.com/
>
> Apparently a guy in Florida has discovered a CHEAP
> way to crack water, AND it has special properties
> unlike a normal Hydrogen and Oxygen gas system, it is
> a new HHO gas, stable but gaseous, and burns clean,
> can be COMBINED with gasoline and diesel fuel systems
> , or run by itself. There's already a patent applied
> for and granted, so this is no hoax, apparently.
> Defense Dept. and major automobile companies are
> already interested. Several main GOOD points about it
> are :
>
> - can be immediately used in ALL gasoline and diesel
> engines, no excessive mods necessary.
>
> - Infrastructure already exists to deliver systems for
> hybrid useage.
>
> - Can be cracked by using excess Alternator output ( 4
> hp loss ), while giving a 17 HP gain in performance.
>
> - No high-pressure container needed to hold gas, it's
> separated while driving and as needed. 4 ounces of
> water will go 100 miles with gas or diesel, increasing
> gas mileage 50%.
>
> - Pollutants decrease markedly with the addition of
> this HHO magnacular gas.
>
> So,any downsides? NONE I can see so far! If this
> stuff is for real, and if the patent application that
> has been granted is legit, as is documented in this
> Blog website, then this may be the breakthru needed to
> wean off Arab oil eventually. NO need to sweat old
> cars being obsolete by needing special motors, etc.
> Denny Klein is the inventor, and his name MAY go down
> in history if this amazing invention lives up to the
> promise of cheap, almost free fuel. Needs distilled
> water, but even so, not a major problem I don't think.
> Ok, it won't be free, heck a bottle of 16 ounce water
> is over $1.50, so gasoline will be cheaper, but if you
> only need 4 ounces per 100 miles, that's still about
> .40. NADA. Bring on the Super SUV's! LOL. Monster
> Hemi's, 20 MPG. No problem. Well, I thought this
> interesting enough to post, it can be retrofited to
> any AMC car or truck. Woohoo! C'mon, Denny, get this
> on the market!
>
> Jerry
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 4 hole Flywheel (NOT Flexplate!) work w/ 3 hole
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060605131046.72045.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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OK, I should've mentioned this was a standard tranny
application. I know many of us use the terms
interchangeably (sort of like 304 and 360 stuff!)
however, I always call a standard tranny a flywheel
and an auto a Flexplate.
My understanding is that there is only one part number
for a 304/360 crank and I assumed that the balance
would be the same for them, though I guess the
rotating mass is different due to the pistons. I had
always heard that the part numbers are also the same
for the 304/360 flexplates and flywheels... is that
incorrect?
Thanks,
Jesse
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:11:30 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
A: SOme people with Jeeps have used the 304 and 360
flexplates
interchangeably (I always found vibration) The 304 has
slightly less offset
weight than the 360. I went through this with my '73
J4000 when I swapped a
304 for the dead 360. WHich trans are you running? The
universal with
adapter ring? New flexplates are still available (I
still have my old one
from the '73. I was going to cut the weighted portion
from it to find out
how much the 360 needed but never got around to it.
The teeth were nearly
chewed off in one spot)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Drake <apdrake@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] NOS Uphostery Suppliers? ('65 Ambassador)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ok, I've overhauled the brakes, washed the car and
generally gotten it ready for summer. One thing I've
been putting off for about 10 years is the cleanup of
the interior. And that means redoing the driver's seat
where it's split and disintegrating.
Any listers know of a good place that sells NOS or
other upholstery? My upholstery shop only has books
for the Big 3 and Studebaker (what's with that?!?) so
no luck there unless I want to cut a swatch out and
send it away. No thrilled about making it worse.
Car is a '65 Ambassador, color is a dark bluish with a
hint of green, of course it's textured. Need about a
yard or so.
Thanks!
-Andy
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:53:26 +0000
From: hal.lynch@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Steve was a good hobby friend, saw him just a
month ago
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I saw Steve just a little while ago at the Lake County fairgrounds AACA car show. Jock and I were there and I brought my 70 AMC road racer out of retirement and was some of my new interest, antique oil cans. Steve came up to me and recognized my car from a show he and I were both at at Zinn's Diner in PA. I think it may have been his first show of his beautiful AMX convertible. I moved to northern IL last fall and it felt really good to have someone say hi who remembered me from the old car show days on the east coast. We had a good chat and he explained how he had been driving his convertible AMX all over the country. He inspired me to consider bringing my AMX out to the street and begin enjoying it more than just shows. I will miss him.
Hal
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Upholstery
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 09:12 AM
From: Andrew Drake <apdrake@xxxxxxxxx>
Snip
And that means redoing the driver's seat
where it's split and disintegrating.
Any listers know of a good place that sells NOS or
other upholstery? Thanks!
-Andy
Andy,
Contact SMS Auto Interiors (may not have the name
right, but do a google search) in Oregon or Original
Auto Interiors in Columbus, Michigan. Both companies
have purchased the NOS overstock lots from the major
manufacturers.
For SMS, at least, have your trim code from the door
tag of your car ready when you call. Tell them how
much of the seat will need to be recovered and they
can advise you if they have the material and how much
it will take. They know their stuff.
Good luck,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:49:07 -0400
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AC Conversion
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thanks to all of your readers that tried to help with my parts request.
I got one reply from Russ Hathaway who has the part, but I have been unable to contact him for the past week.
Russ, if you read this, please contact me again and send me a phone # where I can reach you.
Thanks,
Don
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:57:02 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4 hole Flywheel (NOT Flexplate!) work w/ 3
hole
To: j2sax@xxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Definitely incorrect that the numbers are the same. although some
aftermarket suppliers sell them as such (that's how I got the wrong one and
a vibe before, but I used a torch to lighten the flexplate a bit and the
vibe became almost non-existant)
Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73
J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com
AMC list subscription options link
http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm
OK, I should've mentioned this was a standard tranny
application. I know many of us use the terms
interchangeably (sort of like 304 and 360 stuff!)
however, I always call a standard tranny a flywheel
and an auto a Flexplate.
My understanding is that there is only one part number
for a 304/360 crank and I assumed that the balance
would be the same for them, though I guess the
rotating mass is different due to the pistons. I had
always heard that the part numbers are also the same
for the 304/360 flexplates and flywheels... is that
incorrect?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:19:30 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Conversion Question
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AMC team,
I'm sure this has been asked before but as I am new I was wondering if
someone could go through the process of converting a 1971 AMC V8 Javelin
(360 4bbl) from points to an electronic ignition. I looked at a Mallary
Unilite system this weekend. It appears to tuck inside your distributor
cap and break a light beam which causes the ignition to fire. There are
also extra wires that come with it that have to be hooked up. I am going
for a somewhat stock look so my question is this: Did AMC or Jeep make
an electronic factory distributor in the mid-80's that will work on my
Javelin ? Please describe what's involved with the conversion and what
car is best to pirate the parts from. Also, if there are any modules,
relays, wiring harness, fuse panel issues to keep in mind. Thanks for
the help. At $89 to Unilite looks like a pretty good value. Goodbye
dwell ...
I did get my copy of the Muscle Car Enthusiast this weekend and the Dyno
article on the AMC 390 and the article on Guy Hasdall were both
excellent. I encourage you to go out and grab one soon.
I subscribe to AMO, NAMDRA, Hemmings Muscle Machines and MC Enthusiast.
All are enjoyable for different reasons. Does anyone know if Muscle Car
Review was back up and running ? That was my favorite but it bit the
dust about 4 years ago.
J T
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:24:34 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Conversion Question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<060520061624.12050.44845AC1000E9D5000002F122206824693019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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First thing that comes to my mind is a late-model Wagoneer HEI. Same motor, even.
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
> AMC team,
> I'm sure this has been asked before but as I am new I was wondering if
> someone could go through the process of converting a 1971 AMC V8 Javelin
> (360 4bbl) from points to an electronic ignition. I looked at a Mallary
> Unilite system this weekend. It appears to tuck inside your distributor
> cap and break a light beam which causes the ignition to fire. There are
> also extra wires that come with it that have to be hooked up. I am going
> for a somewhat stock look so my question is this: Did AMC or Jeep make
> an electronic factory distributor in the mid-80's that will work on my
> Javelin ? Please describe what's involved with the conversion and what
> car is best to pirate the parts from. Also, if there are any modules,
> relays, wiring harness, fuse panel issues to keep in mind. Thanks for
> the help. At $89 to Unilite looks like a pretty good value. Goodbye
> dwell ...
>
> I did get my copy of the Muscle Car Enthusiast this weekend and the Dyno
> article on the AMC 390 and the article on Guy Hasdall were both
> excellent. I encourage you to go out and grab one soon.
>
> I subscribe to AMO, NAMDRA, Hemmings Muscle Machines and MC Enthusiast.
> All are enjoyable for different reasons. Does anyone know if Muscle Car
> Review was back up and running ? That was my favorite but it bit the
> dust about 4 years ago.
>
> J T
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Conversion Question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606051647.k55GlD922663@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
" -------------- Original message --------------
" From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
"
" > AMC team,
" > I'm sure this has been asked before but as I am new I was wondering if
" > someone could go through the process of converting a 1971 AMC V8 Javelin
" > (360 4bbl) from points to an electronic ignition. I looked at a Mallary
" > []
" > for a somewhat stock look so my question is this: Did AMC or Jeep make
" > an electronic factory distributor in the mid-80's that will work on my
" > Javelin ? Please describe what's involved with the conversion and what
" > car is best to pirate the parts from. Also, if there are any modules,
" > relays, wiring harness, fuse panel issues to keep in mind. Thanks for
" > []
"
" First thing that comes to my mind is a late-model Wagoneer HEI. Same motor, even.
afaik that's not hei [gm] but a ford duraspark; they started using it
about '78. they never used the high voltage coil or fat cap and
adapter, but if there's room they're just ford parts. this is the
essence of the 'tfi tuneup' you can see on jeep sites.
unlike hei, it has a control module separate from the dist, and no
versions have an integral coil. also unlike hei, it uses ballast
resistance in the coil circuit - at least until the late '80s tfi
coils, which amc never used. i'm not sure about them.
afaik any '78-later amc v8 will have it.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Changeover
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thanks for the information guys. I would still like to hear from someone
who has experience with this changeover on a late model AMC and possibly
a "step by step" guide. If the switch over from the Eaton PS pump to the
Saginaw is a standard Javelin upgrade then I would think there is a
"standard" out there on this topic too.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:46:20 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Upholstery
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <005c01c688c7$f4ec15a0$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
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http://www.smsautofabrics.com/index.html is the link for SMS Auto-Fab
Portland, OR
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Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOE FULTON" <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Upholstery
> From: Andrew Drake <apdrake@xxxxxxxxx>
> And that means redoing the driver's seat where it's split and
> disintegrating.
> Any listers know of a good place that sells NOS or other upholstery?
> Thanks!
> -Andy
>
> Andy,
> Contact SMS Auto Interiors (may not have the name right, but do a google
> search) in Oregon or Original Auto Interiors in Columbus, Michigan. Both
> companies have purchased the NOS overstock lots from the major
> manufacturers.
>
> For SMS, at least, have your trim code from the door tag of your car ready
> when you call. Tell them how much of the seat will need to be recovered
> and they> can advise you if they have the material and how much it will
> take. They know their stuff.
> > Good luck,
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:15:03 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Changeover
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <008601c688cb$f7f03110$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
Our Classic AMX web page has a link to this upgrade which is on a Jeep web
site. I'll post the links here:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/index.htm about halfway down
the page is link to "ignition upgrade"... and it goes to :
http://www.trailhed.com/project1.html where you see the link to their
"Duraspark Distributor upgrade" All kinds of step by step instructions,
parts lists, downloads...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Changeover
> Thanks for the information guys. I would still like to hear from someone
> who has experience with this changeover on a late model AMC and possibly
> a "step by step" guide. If the switch over from the Eaton PS pump to the
> Saginaw is a standard Javelin upgrade then I would think there is a
> "standard" out there on this topic too.
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