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Today's Topics:

   1. Looking for my first AMC Eagle (Jon Zaremba)
   2. Re: Funniest thing I have seen	in	a	long	time-	ELECTRIC
      TURBOS! (Frank Swygert)
   3. PARTS FOR SALE: NOS Trunk Mat (Archimedes)
   4. Re: amx disk brake kit for 62 classic (Sandwich Maker)
   5. eagle parts (russ hathaway)
   6. Discs on a Classic (russ hathaway)
   7. Re: Funniest thing I have	seen	in	a	long	time-	ELECTRIC
      TURBOS! (Tom Jennings)
   8. 77 Matador coupe part wanted & also parting out Hornet &
      Rambler, SX/4 parts (Eddie Stakes)
   9. SX/4 end caps wanted (Eddie Stakes)
  10. 61 Rambler Wagon (Eddie Stakes)
  11. 72 Javelin SST parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
  12. Rambler tailgate wanted (Eddie Stakes)
  13. 58 Rambler American for sale former movie car (Eddie Stakes)
  14. 71-74 AMX/Jav parts for sale, engs, trans, r4b, more
      (Eddie Stakes)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:09:19 -0700
From: "Jon Zaremba" <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Looking for my first AMC Eagle
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello,

My name is Jon Zaremba.  I'm new to this list.  I live in Victorville, CA
(halfway between L.A. and Vegas).  For as long as i can remember, i've
wanted an AMC Eagle Wagon.  I haven't had the time, space, or cash to afford
a second vehicle until now...so my search has begun.

I would prefer an '85 the most, but an earlier one would be fine too if it
looks and drives pretty good.  I expect to get my fingernails dirty with
this car and am not looking for a perfect specimen, but would want it to be
in descent driving condition.  I have never worked on one of these cars
before, so i don't want to get in over my head.  I want to enjoy it right
away.

I've searched around online and posted a few "wanted" adds here and there.
Hopefully something will turn up.  If you happen to know of one for sale in
the Southwest US, please let me know.

I'm glad to be a member of this list and look forward to contributing
someday.

Thanks in Advance,
Jon Zaremba
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:28:26 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Funniest thing I have seen	in	a	long	time-
	ELECTRIC	TURBOS!
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<ADVANCES62bpH71yEXU00000013@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

I understand that, what I was getting at is if the turbo was connected
to an air compressor instead of an engine it would still spin and
create boost. But I see your point -- the heat in this case expands air 
faster than a cool air stream would, so efficiency increases some.


On May 18, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 20:29, Frank Swygert wrote:
> 
> > I found this quote in the article, which explains why the remote
turbo
> > works -- pressure in the exhaust system (and volume of flow).
Those
> > thinking that the power is made by heat are just plain wrong. I
never
> > did understand how anyone can think that the heat makes the power
in a
> > turbo, it just doesn't make sense. I really don't see how heat
> > increases efficiency either, since a cooler charge is denser and
will
> > create more power...
> 
> Actually fizzicks says so. The wasted energy in the exhaust is heat
> energy -- why do you think it's exiting so fast! Gasoline + air +
spark=
> lots of heat which makes the gases get really big. If the exhaust
> temperature was reduced (say, lots of refrigeration) to that of the
> intake, the pressure would be the same too. Temperature makes the
> pressure rise. Without the temp, no pressure.
> 
> Exhaust temp out of a turbo drops a lot too, representing the heat
> energy extracted from the exhaust.
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:17:00 -0400
From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] PARTS FOR SALE: NOS Trunk Mat
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060517171514.02594c40@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

NOT MINE, please do NOT reply to me:

*************************************************************************
NOS TRUNK MAT, 70-73 AMBASSADOR & 70 REBEL
*************************************************************************

>From: "Reggie Nash" <reggienash@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: 70/73 Amb & 70 Reble Trunk Mat
>To: "Archimedes" <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
>
>Trunk mat NOS in original box marked AM-224 70/73 Amb & 70 Rebel TM FHB.
>Blue and black 391/2" x 691/2" overall size. $50 includes shipping.
>Reggie Nash, 1400 Brook Road, Richmond, VA 23220. 804-564-9133, email 
><mailto:reggienash@xxxxxxxxxxx>reggienash@xxxxxxxxxxx



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:58:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] amx disk brake kit for 62 classic
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605181558.k4IFwRT19626@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" A: I don't have time to play with this stuff right now (or a 2WD AMC to 
" put it on) but 2WD Grand Cherokee or Cherokee/Comanche brakes might just
" be the ticket.

could well be!  according to napa, eagles and '80s 3x4 mj/xj/yj jeeps
used the same calipers and 11" rotors.  early 2wd xj used them on a
separate hub, but '86-'94 switched to a 1-piece rotor running on sets
6 & 2...  and btw 2wd only contunued to use the '80s calipers up to
'93.

going back a little farther, midsize mopars like the monaco and light
trucks had a 5 x 4 1/2" 11 3/4" rotor; '73-'80 ran on the same #17
inner and #16 outer as the '74-8 amc 'big bendix' setup, but '81-4
used a different #11 inner - same rotor.  hat depth -looks-
comparable...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] eagle parts
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060518173936.45640.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

So I'm pulling parts off this 85 Eagle wagon; fully
equiped including rear window wash/wipe, leather, four
speaker, etc. I am not sure what was standard on them
but the build sheet shows a whole lot of add-ons.
I want the flappers as there are four good ones and I
pull the door panels (nice shape, red leather). There
are a set of Boston Accoustics speakers in there! Damn
skippy I grabbed them. I look in the rear and there
are a matching st along with the factory bracket
set-up. Curiosity got the best of me and I started
following the wires, which lead to a big ol' amp under
the seat!
Did I mention a serious tow receiver and a custom
fabbed 3-row radiator with an additional tranny
cooler, not the cheapo kind sold at Pep Boys but a
really nice brand. This guy must have done some
big-time towing.
Along with the owners manual was a card identifying
the guy as a U-Haul district manager.
Anyways, I am keeping the power brake booster,
radiator and cooler, as a few other trim pieces.
Anyone need anything. The yard owner doesn't keep AMCs
around, but I was able to convince him to let me pull
parts off this one......Russ  

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Discs on a Classic
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060518181151.63103.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I mentioned the torque tube set up on the Classic as I
assumed the poster was getting a non-AMC rear for the
discs. Chances are the 62 Classic springs won't line
up to the donor rear, so they will have to contend
with that. Also they will have to hook up some sort of
torque link or control arm, the 4-link aftermarket
set-up looks promising. If you go the Fomoco route you
might consider a Mustang II front end. You can use the
Fomoco brakes and upgrade to the purty 13" colored
rotors out there, put some gangster 17's on and you
are profiling.......russ 

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:50:28 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Funniest thing I have	seen	in	a	long	time-
	ELECTRIC	TURBOS!
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1147978228.5989.10.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 05:28, Frank Swygert wrote:
> I understand that, what I was getting at is if the turbo was connected
> to an air compressor instead of an engine it would still spin and
> create boost. But I see your point -- the heat in this case expands air 
> faster than a cool air stream would, so efficiency increases some.

Yes, but. In the air compressor example, there would be no "recovery" of
lost energy; you'get get out only what you put in (electric motor, etc).
i\In the turbo it's recovering the heat energy. The turbo efficiency
will drop with distance from the combustion chamber, no way around that.
If the temp. is lower the turbo will pump less. No way around that. This
is why turbos are more efficient (net energy consumed/produced) than a
belt-driven supercharger (though that might be more fun to drive :-)

If you could measure pressure and velocity at specific spots along the
exhaust system, you would see high temp/pressure close to the engine,
and less so as you get to the tailpipe. Clearly, contained by a metal
pipe, there's the same amount of gases at point A, B, C, ... all the way
down.

The pressure is dropping because the heat is exiting the gases by
radiating off the pipe.

(There's turbulence and other things going on, the gases swirling
chaotically down the length of pipe, eg. the source of exhaust
restriction and why you want a large one etc.)

If you insulated the pipe from the manifold down to the rear/under
mounted turbo, you'd get more power out of it.

> 
> On May 18, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 20:29, Frank Swygert wrote:
> > 
> > > I found this quote in the article, which explains why the remote
> turbo
> > > works -- pressure in the exhaust system (and volume of flow).
> Those
> > > thinking that the power is made by heat are just plain wrong. I
> never
> > > did understand how anyone can think that the heat makes the power
> in a
> > > turbo, it just doesn't make sense. I really don't see how heat
> > > increases efficiency either, since a cooler charge is denser and
> will
> > > create more power...
> > 
> > Actually fizzicks says so. The wasted energy in the exhaust is heat
> > energy -- why do you think it's exiting so fast! Gasoline + air +
> spark=
> > lots of heat which makes the gases get really big. If the exhaust
> > temperature was reduced (say, lots of refrigeration) to that of the
> > intake, the pressure would be the same too. Temperature makes the
> > pressure rise. Without the temp, no pressure.
> > 
> > Exhaust temp out of a turbo drops a lot too, representing the heat
> > energy extracted from the exhaust.
> > 
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> > 
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:58:24 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77 Matador coupe part wanted & also parting out
	Hornet &	Rambler, SX/4 parts
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
	"Doug Shepard" <dshepard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ray_patrilla@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013601c67aae$6d3277c0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

I need fender extensions for a 77 Matador Coupe. The driver's side in 
particular. Also I am parting out 73 Hornet 4 dr. excellent front bumper, 
grill and lenses. Have some 67 rambler parts/glass and several SX 4's. I am 
also interested in a J-20 w/401 in any condition. Ray Patrilla 
ray_patrilla@xxxxxxx 319 472-2158 Friday, May 12, 2006
===========================================
Anyone that can help with the part he needs or needs parts from what he is 
parting out give him a shout above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:59:44 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] SX/4 end caps wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
	"Doug Shepard" <dshepard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: chip@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013701c67aae$6d8d1ae0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

A non-internet friend at work looking for bumper extensions for his 1982 
Eagle SX/4. Drivers side bezel for headlights and may be interested in other 
parts. Car has 40k orig, carmel I believe is the color. This is his 4th 
Eagle. Chip Gabelman chip@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=======================================
Anyone that can help out feel free to give him a shout above thanks. 
*Question, will Spirit end caps interchange?
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:04:39 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 61 Rambler Wagon
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: pikesan99@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013c01c67aae$6f4ad070$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Just bought a 61 Rambler American Wagon!! Craig Pike pikesan99@xxxxxxxxxxx 
==========================================
Eh, no message, but happy to hear you got a nice looking Rambler!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:01:59 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 72 Javelin SST parts wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: daleclick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013901c67aae$6e2f2740$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

I have a 1972 javelin sst,and I need a passenger side window and several 
interior parts such as left and right side upper a-pillars, sunvisors,left 
and right side lower door panels, and rearveiw mirror. Dale C. Click 
daleclick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 205-674-3411
==========================================
Anyone that can help Dale out with parts feel free to give him  a shout 
above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:03:14 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rambler tailgate wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc4evr@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013a01c67aae$6ecc78b0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

 Looking for a ""tailgate"" for a 1960 Six or Rebel wagon. Have a 1963 
American 330 2dr sedan to sell or trade. The American is an L-head six that 
does run but smokes, good auto trans, some repairable rust and a rough 
interior. It is green on green on green. No set price. Can arrange to send 
pictures. Car is in central northern Iowa on Minnesota border, have title 
and is registered. John Szymanowski amc4evr@xxxxxxxxxxx (641)293-5152
===========================================
Anyone that can help out feel free to give John a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:00:56 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 58 Rambler American for sale former movie car
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Rambler63@xxxxxxx>
Cc: alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013801c67aae$6de2dc00$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

1958 Rambler American Super 4 door: Use to be a Hollywood show and movie 
picture car in the 1980's. It was abandonded and has now been recovered. It 
is complete with all parts, but needs total restoration. I am looking for 
someone to partner in the restoration or to sell outright to the right 
person. It is presently in Sacramento CA. and needs to be delt with asap. 
Alan 713-627-0145 Houston TX Alan Ames alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
713-627-0145 cell 832-265-0275
==========================================
Anyone interested in the Rambler give Alan a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:07:24 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71-74 AMX/Jav parts for sale, engs, trans, r4b,
	more
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: bill dale <cruisin71amx@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <013f01c67aae$70159a80$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

71-74 Javelin parts for sale or trade..Interior items,360 Motors,904 
Trans,AMC 20 Rears w/2:87 gear (no posi) Fenders,Doors,Wiper and Heater 
motors. e-mail with your needs or call. Thanks for the space Eddie. Also 
have r4b and Torker Intake for Sale or trade for a Offenhauser high-rise 
dual quad. Bill" cruisin71amx@xxxxxxxxx 912-663-2272
=================================================
Anyone interested in items above give Bill a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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