" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " Yep the 64 and 65 americans used Saginaw boxes for " power steering cars. The manual boxes up through 1966 " were Gemmers I believe. At least my 66 American has a " Gemmer. the spear-o'-death, with the integral shaft. but i believe it has the same bolt pattern as the saginaw manual boxes. the '67, first year of the saginaw column and 4-way flashers, has a saginaw manual box afaik. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought