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Mike, you NEVER have to apologize for jumping in! The main reason for the list is discussion, which includes asking "stupid" questions (it's only stupid if you don't know and still don't ask!) as well as giving opinions and stating facts. 

I haven't looked into the paints that much, but when building paint code charts have noticed the numbers and all changed a lot in the late 60s. It could have a lot to do with manufacturers, as you stated. I always beleived it had to do with the changing state of paint technology, going from the old baked on enamel to more modern acrylics, and in between. In a sense I think we are both on the right track, as chemical formulas differed with manufacturers. 

The leading "P" just stood for "Paint", it's there from 1958 in the TSM, but the "P" isn't on the door tag for any year. I don't think the "poly" paints from the late 60s and early 70s stood for "polyurethane", but I could be wrong. Not polyurethane as in modern paints for sure though. 

I just pulled my Dupont paint code book out. You're talking about a "p" AFTER the code, not the "P" as in "P1 Classic Black". Dupont had three different paint formulas at the time (I'm looking at a 1970 page as I type) -- Lucite acrylic laquer, Centari acrylic enamel, and Dulux enamel. Most of the colors are available in all three. Big Bad Blue, for instance, is AMC code P2, Lucite 5079L, Centrai 5079A, and Dulux 5079D.  Some colors, like Matador red, have two suffix letters -- Lucite 4784LM, Centari 4784AM, and Dulux 4784DH. So if you're indeed talking about a suffix letter from the actual paint mix number (manufacturers number), then the letter is indeed dependent on the manufacturer. P78 Cordoba Brown wasn't available in 70 or 71 (my book only goes up to 71), but the 69 color was Lucite 5007LH or Dulux 5007DH -- not available in Centari acrylic enamel because it wasn't introduced until 1970. 

I just need to find someone to swap me 72-82 or so AMC paint chip book pages for the rest of the 63-71 paint book I have. Should probably sell them year by year and make by make on e-bay like everyone else does, and use the money to buy the AMC pages... 

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John Mahoney was discussing the paint codes, specifically "Cordoba Brown"

 Sorry for jumping in, and correct me if I am wrong.  I believe the difference 
being discussed on the cordoba brown, (misspelling aside) is a difference in 
Paint Suppliers.  I have a 69 Javelin in Alamosa Aqua.  After studying chart 
after chart for this and my Ramblers and Gremlins, I think it works like this:
         A paint code without the "p" is a Lustre-Gard baked acrylic enamel 
(American Motors Standard)
     A paint code with the "p" is  on the color sheets by various makers 
(usually Martin-Senour or DuPont) and is called a "poly" as in "Cordoba Brown 
Poly"  Does this mean "Polyurethane"?
     Generally, from what I have seen, codes which end in "A" are supplied from 
Rinshed-Mason, and are generally Irridescent, or "custom" colors (maybe 
"alternate colors" is a better term) such as the Big Bad colors, and S/Crambler, 
and the reflective colors for The Machine.
   For example, the paint code for my Javelin is 68A  (no "P"), which is 
"Alamosa Aqua Irridescent".  This is a color supplied by Rinshed-Mason, or R-M 
as the paint people call it.  The same color as "P68" is supplied by 
Martin-Senour and is called "Alamosa Aqua Poly".  On the charts in the usual 
line catalogs, it is called simply "Alamosa Aqua".
In many cases, the AMC colors are referred to without the "P" prefix, and I have 
several cars like this that just have a two-digit number on the data plate, 
without a "P" before or an "a" after.
   Hope this helps, but if I'm an idiot, please take it easy on the correction.  
I'm certainly no expert.
     Mike
     Route 66 Rambler