" From: farna@xxxxxxx " " You'll need a rather low rear end gear to help the little four get " the thing moving though. i don't think so! iirc 4-cyl spirits were geared 3.08, for mileage. i'd stick to that in the american, if mileage is the objective. remember, that 'little' 4 is more than 3/4 the displacement of the 196. " From: farna@xxxxxxx " " I was actually close enough to a book to reach over and look this morning! " 63 American two door sedan - 2472-2556 pounds (hard top was 2550) " 82 Spirit hatchback - 2588-2666 pounds do you have a breakdown for the '79 or '80 spirit with both 151" 4 and 232/258" 6? that would give a good indication of the weight difference of the engines. the heavyweight [pre-'81] 199/232/258 weighs within a few lbs of the old 196; they use the same front springs in the '65 american and i'm sure the '64 classic too. 196 vs. 232 shipping weight in the '65 american was also close. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought