Ghost flames --- on a '34 Pierce-Arrow! That's what I'd like to see... Highway MPG --- 31 on a 280-hp Avalon? That's a bit hard to believe... Are we fools --- who pay? http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/FEG2006.pdf Why did our EPA stop listing body volume on the same page as mileage? Are Americans such idiots now it fears we would confuse such figures? "Hey Bub, can I get 105 miles-per-gallon on my '78 AMC Matador wagon?" Or was America smarter when it demanded some personal responsibility? (And it didn't ask someone else to do the "painful" work of thinking...) Another posting --- again not archived. That's not a door to history... Can't Frank --- or whoever's running this list --- kindly just fix it? Yesterday's info apparently was received by one reader (plus the ascot-wearer who always asks for verification) and by gremlin.com (where text http://www.amcgremlin.com/AMCml-archive/msg10972.html was strung out to infinity or absent; but once again, there's nothing where it could serve anybody --- if anybody (except for Pat Foster) ever gets serious about AM history. The facts will be forgotten, the connections will be unknown and the big picture will stay Daguerreotype, not High Def. What point is there in posting? At this late date, there's none. I really enjoyed the Spirit Joe showed: I could almost smell the Gilroy garlic and see that Bonfante tree circus. Good idea and writing; both so rarely found in the AMC car-collector world I had hoped to know. If you (plural) will fix it, I'll post more fact, fantasy, and fluff. If you don't, I won't. I recently saw a sketch of some Gremlin that could have fit between the XP-11 (or whatever it was: I forget what I don't use just like anyone) and Concept I, a rendering of some small Jeep SUV I cannot identify, plus a photograph of some crazy clay (you could almost call it a "four-parter" --- not surprising, remembering how cash-strapped AMC always was) which picked up where the '71 Javelin styling left off. Wild in the streets. Not in the AMC history. I recently saw some cars for collecting: '59 CC sw (6, coral/white, with WWSWs and CABP) --- all the trimmings for less than $15k (760) 789-1871, '65 Marlin (original paint, chrome, interior and 24k miles for less than $18k (570) 837-0487, a '52 Statesman with 17k miles (520) 663-1654, -OR- a '63 Studebaker Cruiser V-8 (rust-free whee!) with only 9k miles for less than $10k (612) 209-6512. I like wagons, Black Plate Specials, and some AMCs, but I might buy the Stude (not really; I'd buy a '64-'65 Cruiser...) if I were buying one of these. They -are- something; they -have- something; doesn't anybody compare -anything- to AMC? Where's AMC? Where's it been? Where's it going? How can it ever go anywhere without clubs, forums and communication beyond what we see? Rugged individualism seems the AMC hobbyist's credo, Libertarianism is preferable to Marxism and self-reliance is better than the welfare state, but there's a time for more than this "my car(s) and me" philosophy. Just do it. Before it's all -done-.