>Call me a traitor, but I think CARB does a good job on the whole, >and I'm damn glad they are able to force manufacturers into >changing. We'd still be driving 4000 lb. carbureted drum-brake >cars, choking to death at 55 if it was left up to Detroit. Detroit >can't "self regulate" I think that's only partially true. Although the Feds did mandate changes, competition also made them change. Remember back in the early 70's the Feds told the Mfgs they had to reduce emissions and they cried they couldn't do it, no way. Then along comes little (at that time) HONDA with it's CVCC engine. Met the standards WITHOUT a converter! Made the US Mfgs look stupid. Then there's disc brakes. American mfgs fought that too. Until the Jap cars started showing up with them, even on the cheap models. Look at small Diesel powered cars of the last couple of decades. Who made 'em? Detroit?? NOPE, even the American BRANDS used foreign engines. Ford used Mazda, GM used Isuzu (look at the new DuraMax,, it's ISUZU made). Where are OUR engineers in all this?? Sad,,, It's a shame but (IMHO) Detroit has been playing "catch up" for a long time now. Competition will initiate changes faster than Gov regulations any day. So let the Feds give em guidance but let the market dictate changes. But hey,,, that's just ME! Bruce Hevner