Brien, I hate to do this, but consider this message a warning for posting trash on the list. It's not that it came from Randy, that it bashed me, or that any thing Randy's ever said has much truth to it. It's trash and clutter that I specifically want kept off the list -- all trash and clutter no matter who it concerns. The list is a gathering place for ALL AMC HOBBYISTS -- not just a select few. Such messages have nothing to do with AMCs or the hobby, the one you forwarded in particular is just the ravings of a lunatic as far as I'm concerned. I do appreciate the fact that you wanted to let others know just how much of a lunatic Randy is -- at least that's what I think your reasoning is. I also appreciate all the defending messages -- but they just add to the clutter, so please refrain from posting to the list. I had Randy Guynn's e-mail address blocked by my ISP, so he's trying to go through others to get at me in any way he can. The only thing he's said that has any ring of truth to it is that I have expressed an interest in having a greater role in the AMC hobby by possibly seeking (at some point in time) an office with AMO. I stated that not to long ago. I'm in no way "trying to take over the hobby" -- that's laughable! I do feel I might have something to add to, or give back to, the hobby as a whole. An officer (heck, even the president) of AMO is in no way in "control" of the AMC hobby. They can have an influence on it, but the board votes on everything specifically so that no single person CAN "control" the organization, or AMOs part of the AMC hobby. I HAVE NOT decided if I even have more time to devote to the hobby or not. And one more thing. I DID state to the list that he had threatened to attempt to shut the list down. The threatening message he sent DID NOT specifically mention the list, but just threatened me personally. There were insinuations in the message that led me (and several others I showed the message to -- I rarely share personal e-mail, but wanted other opinions on this one) that it was an INDIRECT threat to attempt to shut the list down. So to clear the record, and in an attempt to make him happy and leave other listers alone (I had to have his address blocked from my e-mail), it was MY OPINION that he was threatening the list, he DID NOT directly state so. Did I lie about it as he claims? NOT IN MY OPINION. It appeared to be a threat to the list, and I stated it as I believed. I don't think I misunderstood either, but as he says, that's MY OPINION on the matter, not what he stated. I apologize to list members who have been harrassed. Randy has stated in his e-mail (when I was receiving them) that all he wanted was a public notice that I mis-stated his intentions. We'll see if his harrassments stop or not. There will be NO FURTHER LIST TRAFFIC ON THIS MATTER. If anyone wishes to correspond with me or forward me any e-mails please do so in private e-mail. I was loathe to send anything to the list myself, but maybe this will answer a few questions and stop any harrassing. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Independent Magazine" (AIM) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html (free download available!)