Boys who play with cars [after lunch] instead of doing their [home] work then have to turn in their toys and stay after school. I wasn't able get back to writing yesterday. Sorry. Did anyone see Sungold DPL and reflect what its AMC List owner asked? (Yesterday's link to a big "apple" Ambassador was what's referred to) Did anyone see George Barris in their AMC-history water vapor trail? (http://www.classiccarguy.com/details_new.asp?id=243 is the takeoff) And did anyone --- anyone --- notice the car parked outside that Design Lobby in the vintage GM photo? Did anyone --- anyone --- determine its Rambler --- RAMBLER! --- model year? If you're not looking, you're not living. Plus you're only learning half --- a tenth --- what you could. For each of the 15 years it was registered, my 1979 AMC Spirit liftback (which technically is a three-door "fast" hatchback) was an "Ameri 2DSN" to state bureaucrats. I have no idea what a '79 AMC Spirit sedan (which technically is a three-door Kammback), Concord hatchback (technically a three-door hatchback coupe sedan), Pacer sedan (three-door hatchback) or Pacer wagon (three-door, uh, wagon) were called by the tax types who steal working types blind. (And America isn't the worst welfare state!) The all-new '74 AMC Matador was a pillared coupe with longer [interior] body on shorter [114"] wheelbase than the seven year-old Matador sedan: it replaced the shorter [interior] pillar-less hardtop on longer [118"] version of a shorter [114"] 1967 wheelbase. A '74 Matador coupe could've become four-door sedan and five-door wagon if AMC had had enough money to build them --- and eventually, if AMC had money left over, possibly even a two-door [narrow-post] sedan. If Matador coupe had ever become the six-window four-door sedan a famous outside consultant designed for AMC (an aspect of AMC history sadly overlooked by the most prolific and knowledgeable of AMC experts), it could've been a long [118" {122" with "sidemounts"}] wheelbase pillared hardtop sedan with chrome-clad slim "B" post and frameless side glass as well. What car companies, writers and consumers call car bodies is always interesting; it's not always accurate. I doze off on the differences between collapsible sedan and all-weather phaeton or drophead coupe and convertible victoria, so I'll not discuss them. (You can tell me the differences between Cord 812 Phaeton and 812 Sportsman...) I will however ramble to hit some topics ("hard points" in body lingo) of interest. Not much time, but a start. "Sedan" --- especially from about 1940 (the General introduced "Torpedo" in 1940 as "Four-door sedan" and "Two-door coupe" [Pontiac, for example, sold "Business" and "Sports" coupes]; a six-window sedan and a fastback "Streamliner" were added in 1941) through about 1970 --- can properly be used with two- and four-door. As derived from conveyances which predate the horse-and-coach era (sedan chairs were human-powered), it's a closed body and, while Essex (Hudson's companion make) liked offering a "Coach" as the first affordable factory-bodied closed car for the common people, close competitor (yes, Hudson --- and Willys-Overland --- once were that big), Henry countered with his "Fordor" and "Tudor" --- sedans (and then he offered them with a V-8!) It's hard to think of many two-door sedans sold in America today; they may have vanished after GM "dreadful-days" models and "couple-gen-ago" Japanese ones did. Two-door posts with little (or no) modification to their departure views. Today's "old" Civic (the new one will be very slick) would be a two-door sedan if its upper rear weren't so fast and different. It's a "modified kammback" in Si guise, it's a "fast hatchback" as an Acura RSX (Acura EL is the leather-lined Civic ["Concord"] in a forbidden land named Canader); and like AMC's Spirit or Concord, all tend to share substructure plus [usually] doors and windshields. A Civic coupe could be a 2-door Civic sedan, but it's not. The late, lamented Nissan Sentra SE-R; however, very much the poor-man's pocket-rocket BMW 2002 [a model, not year, for those new to such things] is a true two-door sedan. The '95+ 200SX SE-R is a true blue coupe, as it shares no sheet metal aft of B-pillar even decklid and taillights are unique. The late, unlamented Infiniti G20 sedan was a Sentra stretched between the B- and C- pillars; like the "L" cars from Mercedes, where it increased passenger space. Even back in the '60s, though every inch was at least $1,000 precious. Long '50s '60s and '70s American Motors hoods imparted some straight-eight "classicism" to the homeliest rubber ducky Nash and finny 117" Rambler, but those Ambassadors really trompe l'oeil. They weren't quite they hoped, seemed --- or even measured up --- to be. To be continued.