I have watched this thread with much interest, and have really enjoyed the exchange of ideas. This one really seemed more like a discussion, than a fist fight and that's great. I just thought that I would add my $.02 worth. First of all, Tom has mentioned several times that he wanted a class where his modified car would be judged for what it is. AMO has such a class, it is the most common class, non-stock. In the non-stock judging, no matter what kind of car it is, the car is judged mostly on workmanship and cleanliness. If you put in an aftermarket radio and hack up the dash doing it, there will be points deducted, if the CD player looks like it belongs there, then there should not be any deduction. The same holds true for any mods you make, if you paint the car purple with pink polka-dots, as a judge I don't have to like the combination, but if it is a good paint job, I have to give you all the points. If it is dirty, has excessive orange peel, or nicks and chips, or is faded, there will be a deduction. As for the non AMC engines. I don't understand the big deal. All of my cars have the original power plant and will stay that way. But my Javelin and Spirit both have custom interiors and B.F Goodrich Radial T/As, this alone makes them non-stock. My Javelin also has an open chrome air cleaner and chrome dip stick, AMC never did that and that is right on the engine. My Javelin also has AM/FM Cassette stereo, AMC never did that either. Even though I used AMC parts and it may look factory, a Javelin never came with cruise control either. I don't loose points at shows because of these things. I don't understand why it is so different if you put a different make engine in the car. You still have to make it look like it belongs there, to get all of the points. In my small mind, that would be more difficult than making an engine that does belong there, look like it belongs there. My final point on the non-AMC engines is, when you see that car driving down the road or driving on to the show field, what do you see? I see an AMC! I may be disappointed when the owner pops the hood, but I would be more disappointed to have never seen the car. Jeff Barfield jrbarfield@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.threejeffsamc.com 69 Javelin SST 343 82 Spirit DL 258 73 Hornet 258 (1/3 owner) AMO #2550 Peach State AMO (Host of the 2005 AMO International Convention) 394 Creek Crossing Ct. Grayson, GA 30017 770 466-8463