Re: Hard Cranks....

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Mr/Mrs Gary are probably having trouble getting up from the floor from
laughing yet...  Gary is obviously quite talented while some others are
nearly unbelievable.  But Hey!... There are "gearheads" and then there are
""GEARHEADS!!"
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Ralph Ausmann  -  Hillsboro, OR - > http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/
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You are sick.  I was wondering how long it would take for this topic to hit
bottom.  Bong.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Walker" <NashFlash@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMCList" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Rebecca Walker" <beccabw@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: Fw: Hard Cranks (my crank's history)

> In the sixties I used a hard crank exclusively.  I did not know back then
> whether it had been cut or not because it came with the package and I did
> not know the difference at the time.  It remained dependable through many
> races with little or no maintenance even though I used it in many
different
> race cars.  As for the question of whether or not to chrome the crank, I
say
> that if it gets enough oil, the chrome is not necessary and the chrome may
> not flex during down time when the crank contracts.  In the seventies, I
> settled down with one race car.  She has remained loyal to me all these
> years so I have used the hard crank in her only.  The crank did not get
used
> so much in the eighties what with lots of overtime at work.   I was
> frequently just too tired to race and had a lot of headaches.  I really
> regretted neglecting my one and only race car through those years and when
> the new toys came out in the new millennium, I had to try to get back into
> racing again.  There are new tools for vibration to assist the crank etc.
> My crank has stood by me for decades and has never let me down.  My paper
> work does not show how deep the hardness goes, as one lister asked, but it
> seems sufficient to get in there and get the job done.  Lately I worry
that
> it may not be as good as it once was, but I feel it is as good once as it
> ever was.
>      Your AMC Friend,
>       Gary Walker,
>        Owner of some old AMC stuff
>         (not junk as my race car says)
> P.S.    I hope this helps.   oh, and uh, this is just me but I  would
NEVER have it cross drilled.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bruce Hevner" <scramblr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC AMC" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <kustomkemps@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Hard Cranks
>> Lynn,
>> >Well, I'm glad to see that I have generated some chatter across the
ether.
>> Some people think that nitriding is super expensive, but it is not. In
fact,
>> we >nitride BY THE POUND, with a 100lb. minimum.
>> >Therefore, the more cranks we have in a run, the cheaper it is. Example:
if
>> you sent a crank from Ohio to the shop in Portland, Or, and did not have
a
>> >UPS account, it would run about $170 to ship the crank both ways. (We
>> prefer Forward Air) This is more than $100 over the cost of the
nitriding.
>>
>> Well that's certainly a LOT cheaper than it used to be (I haven't checked
in
>> years). I think it used to cost about $250-$300 EACH!! Don't get me wrong
>> I'm NOT against this process,, I'm FOR it, IF it can be done at a
reasonable
>> cost and IF you can guaranty straightness. We were experiencing .002-.004
>> bend from end to end. It WILL reduce wear of the crankshaft. In fact I
have
>> a 390 crank that was Hard Chromed YEARS ago that I might send you to see
if
>> it can be saved. Do you have a hardness tester?? Shoot me some numbers.
>>
>> >We feel that any crank that might be cut beyond the factory hardness
level
>> will be better for the process. (does anyone know what depth the AMC
cranks
>> were hardened to from the factory?
>>
>> That was my question in the beginning. WHAT IS the hardness level of
factory
>> AMC cranks?? I contend (though I can not prove since I have not had one
>> tested) that they are no "harder" than any other stock crank. I may be
>> wrong,,, but I MAY be right (cue the Billy Joel music!!).
>>   It's really pretty easy to get an idea of the hardness of an item,,
just
>> give it the "file test". While not scientific by any stretch it does give
>> you an idea of the general hardness of an item.  A Nitrided item (and I
am
>> fully aware there are different levels of hardness that can be obtained)
is
>> difficult or impossible to file with a common hand file. It will feel
like
>> you are trying to file a piece of glass!! Just slides right over it. This
>> has NOT been the case with ANY of the AMC cranks I have checked.
>>  And of the Honda cranks we have turned that WERE nitrided the thickness
was
>> less than about .003.
>> But hey,,,, that's just ME!!
>> Bruce Hevner
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> >Randy, WE'VE BEEN HAD!!!!
> >I say WE, because I didn't see anything wrong with the crank story
either. I didn't get suspicious until Tom Jennings caught on and made his
post, then when I saw your post I was certain we'd been had, I had to go
back and read it carefully with mind in the gutter. Everything fit so
perfectly that the post looks innocent at first. But he was talking about
HIS CRANK, not his engine's CRANKSHAFT!!
> >
> >Okay I think you got it, but just in case, crank = dick, penis, whatever
you want to call it. NOW go back and read it again. Hilarious! Especially
since it went right through us without a notice at first!!
> >Frank Swygert

> >Frank seems to thing Gary Walker is speaking about his Penis, not the AMC
steel crankshaft in his engine. I do not believe Gary is speaking of his
Penis. If he is, then he needs his butt kicked for pulling that type of CRAP
in public on this posting forum. If Gary is speaking of the Steel crank in
his engine, [which I believe he is], then Frank and others need tpo get
their mind out of the gutter.
>
> There are plenty of trash sites to post penis info to. This list does
> not need that.
>
> I have read and re-read the post. I can see how a person can get the
> WRONG idea.
> So, Gary Walker, are you talking about REAL AMC pieces here, or are you
> doing an autobiography on your Pecker????
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