Re: Fwd: My AMC NEEDS SPEED

[farna@xxxxxxx]

Jim, it's a lost cause trying to fit one in a 58-63 American. The radiator is only a single core for the 195.6 OHV, double for the L-head. There is just no more room! You can't use a pusher electric fan as there is no room between the grille and radiator, unless you leave the grille center out and the fan exposed. Might be okay for a racer. You'd have to cut the left side inner fender hump off also. Cutting the hump is no big deal, it's just a leftover from the 50-53 models. The "peak" on the hump usually has a small hole. That's where the brace for the upper shock mount went on the 50-53 models. The mount was redesigned in 54 and the hump no longer needed, but AMC never changed the panel dies due to the expense and fact that it wasn't necessary. The 195.6 is about the shortest six made! Even the small 170 Ford six is longer due to a larger bore and shaorter stroke (greater bore centers). A couple 50s sixes might fit due to similar dimensions, but why??? May as well rebuild !
 the 195.6 as a smaller, older engine. 

On February 2, 2005 Jim B wrote:

> A: Different years of 4.0L (and different applications like TJ, YJ, XJ/MJ)
> have minor differences in external accessories. The '91 4.0L I measured this
> AM is 3" shorter than the one in my '87 Comanche. I think a custom built rad
> might fix the rest of it. Anyone near Seattle have an older Rambler that can
> be used for a test fit?
> 
> 
> From: farna@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Fwd: My AMC NEEDS SPEED
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> On February 1, 2005 andrew hay wrote:
> 
> > i don't have numbers but i've looked at both quite a bit.  in a '64 -
> > no problem.  '63 - still major surgery.
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay
> 
> I don't recall the exact length of the 195.6 and 4.0L either. The 4.0L is
> about 2" shorter than a 258 (fan and all, V-belt 258), but the engine bay of
> the 58-63 American is about 4" to short for the 232/258. There's no easy way
> to get more room either. The radiator can't be moved forward more than
> 1/2"-3/4" because of the hood latch. you can move to the rear by notching
> the firewall under the heater in the 61-63, but the heater box has to go. If
> it's a summer time hot rod that might be fine (no heater or defrost).
> Otherwise it would take a cobbled heater, maybe from a 59 or so Chevy truck
> (box under passenger side of dash IIRC), or a custom hot rod unit ($300 or
> so for heat and defrost only). Not worth it in my opinion. The GM 2.8L-3.4L
> V-6 (Ford 2.9L) is a good fit, but the accessories are mounted to wide!
> You'd need custom mounts. Even a modern four is to wide without surgery to
> the left inner wheel panel of the 58-63 -- the intake stick to far over! The
> 195.6 OHV is a nar!
>  row engine, and the engine compartment of that car (50-55 Nash Rambler,
> 58-63 American) was built around it! May as well cut the humps on both sides
> and put in a small V-8 with block hugger headers or stock manifolds.
> 
> Changing plugs will be a bear though.
> 
> 
> 
> .


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