Re: More obsessing about hoses and other 1964 engine bay details...

"piper_pa20" <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>, you said...

>I'm sure you can get the clamps (spring clamps as well as tower type clamps) 
>since they are common to many restored cars today. 

::nod::

>> From any source materials I've been able to see that actually show these
>> hoses in any detail, they appear to be held in place with pinch clamps
>
>The original hoses were Goodyear with a blue streak.

Interesting: this is different from what I've seen with other sources, 
which have indicated either a white or yellow stripem and from Gates.

(aside the the lister that mentioned Gates to me: they've sent me a nice 
list of '64 Classic hoses they have available. A motable omission was the 
1964 OHVC molded upper radiator hose.  PLenty of OHVAs, though.)

>> On my 195.6, the thermostat housing is set at an angle, rather than the
>> straight (vertical) I've seen in some examples.  Is the angled version
>> correct for my car?
>
>I'm picking up a cast iron 196 OHV from a 64 Classic today.  It has the 
>angled coolant outlet I believe.

::nod:: This seems to be the consensus from the materials I've pored 
through.  Press releases and other materials typically show the American 
with the straight thermostat housing, with the angled on the Classics.  
The only clear contradiction seems to be in the 1964 X-Ray, but I suspect 
this was an error in the original materials: the hose shown attached the 
air filter was apparently only in the American models, and they show that 
variant (and the straight thermostat housing) as being for the Classics.  
Everything else (except the schematic in the Technical Service Manual) 
points to the angled neck as being standard on the 196.5 OHVC in classics.

I just find myself wondering why. ;-)

>The battery cables were both black. The cable connectors are that old style 
>square connector with the little gap between it and the cable.  You might 
>check with Ford Mustang vendors.   They sell the old style cables but I 
>don't know if the length is right.  Also inquire about all of this stuff to 
>the AMC Rambler Club.  There are vendors on the East Coast who have some NOS 
>consumable parts I believe.

I may have found a source with antique auto battery on the battery 
cables, so I'm not too worried there.  I will double-check with the AMCRC 
as well.

>  > 4. Distributor cap
>>
>Black plastic.

::nod::

>> I am under the belief that only Classics with a V-8, or possibly just
>> 1964 Ambassadors, had any sort of under hood padding.  Is this the case?
>
>I can't answer this but you should check the 1964 Data Book.  If you're 
>doing a restoration, get one for your year of car.  The sound proofing/hood 
>padding should be described by itself or as part of an accessory package.

That is one I've yet been able to lay my hands on.  I will eventually 
grab one.  For now, I'm going on several other contemporary sources -- 
more on that in a moment.

>> 6. Black components
>
>IMHO Eastwood Underhood black is a good substitute for black painted items 
>like horns.

Good deal.  It looked like it would be a good match, just wanted to 
double-check with others.

>> 7. Turquoise components
>> From all contemporary visual sources (and visible paint on Little Car's
>> block), the 195.6 OHVC in a Rambler Classic was painted Lancelot
>
>Remember that AMC engines were painted after the engine was assembled (and 
>probably test run, I don't know).  I think the whole engine including the 
>oil filter platform and exhaust manifold got the engine color.

This I did not know.  Thanks!

>Gwen, I can't emphasize enough.  You should get the factory info (press 
>release photos, data book, etc.) for your Classic.

::nod:: The data book, parts books and showroom book are both on my list. 
 My collection includes all the standard showroom brochures, the X-Ray, a 
handful of AM News Illustrated issues, and a large amount of scans from 
parts books, Motor Trend issues, etc.  Unfortunately, most of the shots 
of the engine compartment shown within the model year either show the 
195.6 engine independent of the car (X-Ray, Press Releases, showroom 
booklets), or photographed from the passenger front (Motor Trend, 
December 1963) which means that details of the hoses and battery cables 
are obscured.  Most are also shown in black and white, making 
identification of their colour difficult at best.

Hence why I have to ask all these silly questions. :-)

Cheers,
Gwen Smith

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