The term is 'shilling' not shrilling....FYI. :) The zeros don't automatically mean a shiller is at work. Everyone has to start somewhere. And even if a shiller really was at work, it can't affect you really...except that you won't 'steal' the item. A shiller is really an 'invisible reserve', nothing more. They can't force you to bid over your maximum. Only YOU can do that, and then it becomes your own fault. Decide what it's worth, and bid that number. Then, DON'T re-bid higher. If no shilling happens, and no one else wants it, you'll win it. If shilling happens, you'll either pay the maximum you already decided to pay (if the shiller is good and figures out what your max bid is, then bids just under it), or the shiller will outbid you and the seller won't sell the car- effectively, a 'reserve'. While it doesn't sell that time, you can rest assured that he wasted his listing fees AND will pay eBay a final value fee for the final bid price....cuz eBay sees it as 'sold'. :) THEN, he has to re-list again, claiming the prior winner didn't follow through....and pays again to relist it. He can't ask for the prior fees to be waived without leaving negative feedback for the shiller...which is usually a pal. Whatever the outcome, they can't make you pay more than you were willing to pay from the start. Only you can lose your head and start bidding silly. And then, it's your fault. And that's my .02. John W Rosa http://www.JavelinAMX.com