After Detroit News* wrote that the '70 Jarama was "designed by Bertoni" and Consumer Reports took Tundra over F-150 (and DyChryCo strutted out in even more chrome bling), I spilled motor oil onto my 12/04 "Engine Trend" and had to read an AMC list online. In case a case of Microsoft drink floods my non-PC keyboard also, here's how to turn trick in 2005. http://www.strutwear.com/detroit.html (*A "Rare 1964 AMC Rambler American with a 190-cubic-inch six" is their November 11, 2004 "Car of the Day" --- repeating their 10/4/04 photo typo. We pay people for that kind of auto history now.) >> in the earlier days of the automobile, drivers were referred to as 'engineers'. << After they were referred to as "automobilists," before they were called "motorists" and long before they became "idiots" on cell phones in SUVs... >> I was reading a "tech Tip" in a Nash Club regional newsletter the other daystating that we, who own cars with pre-cat.converter engines, should use Diesel motor oil as it still contains ZINC for lubricating cam lobes, valves,etc. Modern engine with Cats don't need Zinc as they use hardened parts and Zinc will totally ruin a Cat. Modern gasoline engine motor oils do NOT contain any Zinc for that reason. << Jay, very little zinc (<0.11%) is needed to prevent wear in most car engines (although turbocharged or high redline [think Honda] F1-inspired mills may require slightly higher percentages), but, as with a vitamin E supplement, more isn't always better, since zinc also creates deposits and fouls plugs. In addition, an "EP" (extended pressure friction reducer) additive such as zinc, phosphorus, molybdenum, chlorine, or sulphur can react with detergent oils and actually corrode fine bearings. AFA diesel oil, maybe read about its zinc content from manufacturers and from Uncle Sam. (Maybe check out what CARB thinks of zinc, also...) http://library.cbest.chevron.com/lubes/ehlchevmsdsv9.nsf/0/3351fd9a04fffbbe8 82569b5000c0557?OpenDocument http://www.epa.gov/chemrtk/zincdial/c14066tc.htm Considering the "ugly oil" that tomorrow's cars http://www.motordeaire.com/Img/Animbiela.gif http://www.motordeaire.com/ will need, Gremlins and Pacers look beautiful. >> ONe thing I've noticed ( recently ), is that the Pennzoil 10-30w I use seems EXTREMELY watery...and that bothers me. I thought it used to be more viscous than that, at least 10-15 years ago. I just poured some straight Pennzoil 30w into my '87 Toyota, and it is thicker and has a more "oil-like" consistency, whereas the 10-30 really runs out the bottle like water. Is this an indication of "advanced oil engineering", or what? << Jerry should turn drivers' advocate and investigate how many other auto product formulations have, uh, "adapted" --- sometimes with little note or fanfare --- in endless quests for profitability. He'll need to buy more rolls of paper (towels/tissue) for wiping test dipsticks, though, since their count has been a-changin' greatly over the years, also; despite political promises, label laws and truth-in-advertising movements. Consumers are deep in, well, something not good. But, given the "ugly oil" that tomorrow's cars http://www.motordeaire.com/Img/Animbiela.gif http://www.motordeaire.com/ mustl use, Gremlins and Pacers look beautiful.