The way manufactured items usually fail isn't 'every one is bad' but 'there are N bad parts out of every 100,000'. I'm sure most people NEVER see a failed Fram -- I never did. I bet I could use 'em for the rest of my life and never see a bad one, it's like tossing dice. Outright failures aside, when you see one taken apart, and compared to say NAPA's Gold line or whatever (NAPA has a counter display with both cut out; I hope NAPAs are still made the way the show :-) you can really see the cut-corners on the Fram part. I don't buy lottery tickets either, I'm not a gambling man... even when the odds look good. To each their own though! On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 12:52, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > All this talk reminds me of the talk concerning Fram > oil filters. Everyone has horror stories about the > evil Fram but I run them exclusively (unless someone > has a sale on another brand) and I have never had a > bad experience. But of course I guess in 30 plus years > of buying Frams I guess I get the one lone good one. > Right now I have 3 PH11s on my shelf. > My suggestion with the badgers is to check them real > close and send em back if anything looks funny. Cross > drill the crank and chamfer the holes if you want, do > the magic to the cam gear. Maybe drill another hole > for the oils return as some have done. I think > expertise in a rebuild and attention to details is > more important that the brand of piston. As with > anything, though, your results will be different than > your neighbors......Russ > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail