Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72

["Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just had another thought, Sandwich maker stated the T150 came later, after 
72. Could this be a T150 taken from another AMC and installed in the friends 
orange Javelin. If so, does the t150 use a pilot on the end of the input 
shaft and a bushing in the back of the crank, or does it key somehow similar 
to an auto trans' torque converter into the flange?

Armand



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72


> He told me the bell housing depth of both the Jeep T5 bell and the Javelin 
> T14 bell are the same depth. If in fact the T14 hasn't been altered, it's 
> a very good possibility that you're correct, the pilot bushings are most 
> likely different sizes for each trans.
>
> I think we need to look at the T14 and see if they didn't machine off the 
> pilot part of the input shaft, machine a button receiver? and substitute 
> some type of machined bushing/button to fit inside the crank keying area 
> for automatics. I have to drive over to his place and get him to drag the 
> T14 out of his parts pile.
> We haven't given up on understanding this one yet !
>
> Armand
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72
>
>
> > AFAIK all manual trannys used a pilot hole and bushing. Perhaps the T-14 
> > and T-5
> > have different sizes/lengths.
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > Quoting Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > > updated information
> > >
> > > The 72 Javelin is reddish orange, has a transplanted 304 with a 3 speed
> > > manual.
> > > The 304 from the orange 72 has been removed wants to put that engine 
> > > into
> > > his Jeep with a T5.
> > > The crank flange doesn't have a pilot hole for the bushing and input 
> > > shaft
> > > on the T5.
> > > Does this mean that a T14 doesn't require a pilot hole and bushing?
> > >
> > > trying to understand how unusual this crank might be if at all.
> > >
> > > The white 1970 Javelin has a 304, came with the car, that crank has the
> > > pilot hole. Easy swap for a T5.
> > >
> > > Hope this clears it up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Armand
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72
> > >
> > >
> > > > One line says the 304 doesn't have a pilot hole, another line says it
> > > > does.
> > > > ?? You have 2 304s?
> > > >
> > > > The 3-speed is probably a T-14. References are at home.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Friend of mine has had a 71 or 72 Javelin since his high school days 
> > > >> in
> > > >> the
> > > >> early 90's.
> > > >> Currently he wante dto swap the 304 out of htis car into his Jeep CJ 
> > > >> with
> > >
> > > >> a
> > > >> 258 and a T5.
> > > >> The 304 had a 3 speed manual behind it when in the Javelin. Might 
> > > >> that
> > > >> have
> > > >> been a T150?
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, the 304 doesn't have the pitol hole bored in the back of the
> > > >> crank
> > > >> that would receive the
> > > >> pilot shank from the input shaft on the T5.
> > > >>
> > > >> What gives?
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm confused, I thoght all cranks came bored with the piolot hole for 
> > > >> a
> > > >> pilot bushing and could take
> > > >> a manual transmission.
> > > >>
> > > >> The 304 in the white Javelin has hole in th eback of the crank.
> > > >>
> > > >> Help me understand what's going on here.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Armand
> > > >>
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