Re: [AMC-list] Fw: wanted floorpan interchange & connectors information 69 Rebel SST

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:41:46 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes"<eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Chad is looking for some AMC frame connectors, brake information and floorpan interchange information for a 69 AMC Rebel. Anyone wishing to comment or point him in right direction please feel free to comment and copy your reply to him & thanks in advance to all who might.
Eddie Stakes

eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com  

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From: Chad Ottchadott58@xxxxxxxxxx


Hey Eddie, just me again I was wondering if any floorpans were close to a 4 door 69 Rebel SST pan that way it'll save me some money on fab and time, also if you go to summit racing and type in DCC frame connector theres 3 results I was wondering if any mopar frames were close to AMC frames? that way it;d be easier for a fornt brake disc conversion kit and to find various chassis parts and also strengthen everything up, Thanks I look forward to a reply back!
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Chad, the 67-70 Rebel and 71-78 Matadors are essentially the same bodies except for some external sheet metal changes (Matador Coupe is an exception!). the floor pans may have some minor differences, but will interchange. The 67-74 Ambassador floors will interchange as well. The Ambassador has a longer wheelbase, but the stretch is all in front of the firewall. From the firewall back the Rebel/Matador and Ambassador are the same car -- same interior room. There are again some external sheet metal, different rear/taillight panel treatments, and different interior/exterior trim. Even the two door floor and wagon floor pans should interchange with some minor trimming. I don't know if anyone makes a repro pan that will work, but at least this expands your options from a salvage yard.

The "frames" are totally different between Mopar and AMC. There are no "frames" per se on an AMC, it's a unit body -- as are most Mopars. The technical term for the rails in front and rear is "sills". I know everyone refers to them as "frames", that's why I'm putting "frame" in quotes. A sub frame will unbolt from the body, such as the older Camaros and some other cars. But I'll bow to common usage even if it's technically incorrect. I'm a technical writer, so I do prefer to be technically correct when possible.

You have at least three aftermarket disc brake options. From cheapest to highest:

Scarebird (www.scarebird.com) -- This uses currently available parts form other manufacturers. Total cost is around $500, depending on local parts store costs for most components. Their AMC kit will fit ANY AMC from 1954 on. Some grinding on the brackets might be needed on older 60s models, but it's minor. On the 70s cars they bolt right on. They are made to replace drums using the drum hub, but you can order a set of hubs or turn down an old AMC factory rotor. That's how Scarebird makes their AMC hubs. You can buy the hubs form them as well.

Aerospace Components (http://shop.aerospacecomponents.com/4pistonfrontdragracekitamcstreetkit.aspx) -- This is a very nice four piston kit that fits all AMCs as well. Current price is $725 + shipping, so right around $800.

Wilwood (http://www.wilwood.com/Search/PartNoSearch.aspx?itemdesc=AMC) -- Wilwood now offers an AMC front brake kit using their Dynalite four piston calipers and a vented rotor. Prices start at $812 + shipping, so figure around $840 total.

Another option is to use AMC factory disk brakes. The disadvantage is that rotors are hard to find (all other parts interchange with other makes and are still easy to get). If you go this route use 1979-83 Concord/Spirit/Pacer brakes. All earlier rotors are hard to find (will likely have to use an AMC vendor) and cost $100 or more each. The last 79-83 rotor I bought through a local parts house (AutoZone, Advance couldn't get one!) was $55 about 18 months ago. It won't be long before those are pricey also, as demand is low and some stores no longer have a supplier. For all I know the one I managed to get was old stock, there may not be anyone making them -- I don't know for sure though. Other than rotor availability there's nothing wrong with the AMC factory discs, they all work well. I wouldn't use the 66-70 four piston Bendix brakes though, as they are prone to leaking due to the design of hte piston seal and the calipers are expensive.

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Frank Swygert
Editor - American Motors Cars Magazine
www.amc-mag.com


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