Re: [AMC-list] 70/71 6cyl wanted

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ya know, I forgot about all the 71 blocks having the taller deck! Easy to make a 258 -- just change crank and rods... maybe pistons. 258s are reasonably easy to find and cheap yet -- contact the local Jeepers, can probably pick a rebuilder up for little or nothing.

The T-96 is indeed a bit fragile behind a 232. AMC used the T-96J behind the 232 in Grems (maybe Hornets) in the early 70s. The J has a slightly larger input bearings and shaft. I used a rebuilt J behind a 4.0L and my 4.6L stroker for about 18 months. Syncho will be the first casualty -- mine lasted maybe 150 miles and I was taking it easy. After that it was double-clutch to down shift, but it soldiered on for a bit over a year. The 232/258 won't have quite the power of the 4.0L, but then you have the standard version of the T-96. You might get a little more life from the synchro though.

The T-89 uses the T-10 bolt pattern and won't fit the six bell. I'm not sure what the T-86 used, but I don't think it matches the T-96 pattern. The input shaft on the V-8s is longer also. Either a T-85 or 86 was a HD option for the 196, so the trans pattern might be the same, but the six would either need a special bell and shorter torque tube or a shorter input shaft (and maybe bell if the trans pattern is different). I would suspect AMC used a different input shaft (and maybe bell) rather than different TT. I've never actually seen a 196 with a T-85/86, just know that was listed as an HD option. Most that got one of those were taxis or other fleet cars and got "used up" quick! I've never seen an actual late 50s/early 60s taxi model either, except the Jo-Han plastic model and a real car replica (of the Jo-Han model!).

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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:58:15 -0500 (EST)
From:adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  (Sandwich Maker)
To:amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 70/71 6cyl wanted
Message-ID:<201201071958.q07JwFc27866@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: d stohler<das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" im looking for an early (old 6 cyl bell bolt pattern) 232, or even
" better yet an old bell 258. (i think the 258 will be HARD to find) i
" want to bolt it into my '62 rambler, and not have to change the entire
" drive train. i like the old 3spd/od. i also plan in the future to add
" a 4.0 head with efi. (hidden of course) anybody know of anything
" anywhere? as long as its rebuildable, im game!!!

old-bell tall blocks were '71 only, and only some of them were 258s.

stick or auto?

frank will warn you about fragility of the t96 with increasing hp,
from his experience.  i don't know if they're compatible with the
amc15 torque tube, but i'm pretty sure the v8 t86 or t89 3sp would
bolt to a '72-up i6 with a '68-'74 v8 bell.  both were still used in
'67, first year of the new v8s.

the t35 auto is better, versions having been used with 232s and 258s
through '71.
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