My 327's were flexplate with ring. Converter does not have ring. This is 1965 pieces. I can probably spare a conv and flexplate if needed. I think someone told me the 287 got the ring on the conv. I can look at my 287 to see, can't remember if the flexplate is on it or not! I can also measure bell depth if needed. Mark Price Morgantown, WV 26508 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II "I realize that death is inevitable. I just don't want to be around when it happens!" ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Swygert" <farna@xxxxxxx> > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: gmartel1@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2011 10:20:46 AM > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Fw: rambler problems > > I believe all the older BW auto trannys used a torque converter with > the starter ring gear made onto it. The front pump is identical in > construction and design to the later models though. You should be able > to use a 290 flexplate and torque converter with the M-8, but I don't > know anyone who has done it. > > Check the depth of the bell housings first. If they are close to the > same (within 1/4") you should be okay. The torque converter must go > into the trans far enough, but not put pressure against it. There is > usually a 1/16-1/8" gap between the converter and flexplate with the > converter shoved back as far into the trans as it will go. Should be > no more than 1/8", and converter should turn without binding against > the flexplate. If there is more than a 1/8" gap washers can be used to > push the converter back, but you MUST make sure the bolts are long > enough. I'd use lock-tight on them too. The converter centers on the > crank with a "nose" on the converter that goes into a pilot bushing. > There is no stress on the nose, it's just for centering. It needs to > go at least 1/8" into the bushing. If washers are used an extended > pilot bushing may be necessary. > > You will have to use a 290 flexplate, or have a flexplate match > balanced to an original 290 flexplate. The only way around that is to > have the 290 internally balanced and use a neutral flexplate (late AMC > six flexplate). That requires engine tear-down for balancing and may > be costly though. > > Some things you have to figure out for yourself. Someone on the list > can measure the bells for you, but you'll have to get a 67-71 AMC > M-11/12 torque converter (or an M-4x converter) and check it for fit > in the M-8 pump. I think it will work, but that's all I can say. > > --------------- > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:26:33 -0600 > From: "Eddie Stakes"<eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > I spoke with Garrett here the other day and they are trying to do a > interchange, and if someone can offer advise, please feel free to > comment, and copy your reply to them and thanks in advance to all who > might reply. > Eddie Stakes > 713.464.8825 > eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.planethoustonamx.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Garrett Martelgmartel1@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > hi eddie > > i spoke with you on monday regarding my 63 rambler wagon. what i am > trying to do is put a 68 290 out of my rebel into my 63 cross country > wagon that was originally equipt with a 287. i have managed to get > all the right component except i need a tourque converter for my > borge warner m8 transmission. i have a one peice converter and > flexplate but it is a 176 tooth andi need it to be a 164 to work with > my 290. i have a flex plate i just need a m-8 converter that i can > bolt to my flexplate. so my question in do the make converter that are > not welded to the flexplate for the m-8 transmission and where can i > get one. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://www.amc-mag.com > (free download available!) > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-list mailing list > AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com