I'm not sure. I know all the gadgets add weight - but I don't know if plastic would be much heavier than canvas. I like canvas a lot - but the ABS would be good in the rain. I know what you mean about tangles - on my Apache Eagle one of the slides is a little bent - so it requires two people to get it open and closed. I took the canvas off last time - so need to practice setting it up and taking it down with canvas on. Yep, we got tangled so I just undid everything and folded the canvas up and put it on the floor of the camper. But (shhhhh!) - I'm making a two-day escape with my oldest son on Sunday and Monday. We're just bringing a tent. Much quicker to set up and tear down. We're making a fast run to Wilmington NC to see a battleship, then down to Patriot's Point then back to Atlanta. But I owe a camping trip to my youngest son. It has to involve beaches, water, mini-golf and maybe some freshly made ice cream. My wife does not camp with us - so we could go with "The he man women hater's club" as a sign for our campsite. (sorry about that - in college a good friend and I would skip English class and go fishing in the pond. We were the he man women hater's club after Spanky and Our Gang - but we would tolerate women bearing sandwiches. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM, tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote: > That's pretty nice. Wouldn't that rigid stuff add weight? Not much I > realize. The great thing about popups is the light weight, but a rigid side > or two might be a good compromise. The Sherwood is a little silly to set up, > to get the three hoops up you have to climb into this tangle of hoops and > fabric. One person can do it in about 10 minutes. > > I hope to this month yank the rotten floor out of mine and replace it then > tile it. _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com