" From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " " 3.73s would make first gear completely worthless in the T5, as you said " about the .8 overdrive, I've got the wrong T5 for that...first in the T5 is " 3.35. my mistake. i thought when you said 0.63 5th you had the 2.95 1st. mid '80s nissan turbo z cars had a 0.78 5th with 3.35 1st, and there's also a warner oem 0.83 5th, used on the #1352-254 wc t5. if i had the tranny apart to swap 5ths, i'd also put the countershaft stabilizer in from 5speeds.com. " I think it would be like what we used to call a super granny low gear " in farm trucks, just to get it rolling, then shift into second. that's low enough but not nearly a proper granny. it's valuable enough for saving clutch wear-and-tear at stops. many cars today have very low 1sts; mercedes widely used their nsg370 in cars, even 2dr convertibles, and it has a 4.46 1st. all large and many medium duty trucks have granny gears, because of their low power-to-weight ratio. they really are useless at anything above a dead stop, but the step to 2nd is usually also big and potentially difficult on a grade. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com