Doc, I sympathize with you, however, you may want to consider this......... Don't blame it on the poor kid............ He's only gonna be as good as the parents that raised him, (or failed to raise him) and he's only gonna know as much as the idiots , er, excuse me, personnel in the Sherwin Williams store taught him. I agree with you that the service we used to enjoy from the retail industry, just does not exist any more in a lot of cases. I guess that's maybe why more of us do all of our research and purchasing on line and try to stay away from the "quick to sell you things you really don't need or are the wrong thing" retail industry. There's a couple real good parts dealers around here, and some real good paint stores too. The new O Reilly's Auto Parts store has a young guy and a young gal, besides the management people, working there who really have their act together, ( I think their parents raised them well and the store trained them in very good too). Maybe I'm just lucky so far....... I'm not convinced that rust encapsulator is the real deal, maybe it's just because I've only tried the early products that were made for that purpose, and had little to no success with them. I'm still a firm believer in removing all the rust, either by blasting, grinding, or chemicals, and then etching and epoxy primers. I know Mark and Davis and many others have had good luck with the products, but I just don't know what to think when you throw in the crappy climate I live in and trying to hide or neutralize rust. The weather goes from 25 to 30 below zero to 95 to 100 above zero, and from very low humidity to nearly 100% humidity. Everything expands and contracts so much and goes from bone dry to soaking wet so quick, that I just don't know for sure what works the best to contain, stop, reverse, or eliminate rust. I haven't heard of many restoration shops or body shops that use rust encapsulators. Most of them remove the rust and then use etching chemicals and primers. I'm sure there are quite a number that do, but I just have only heard of a few. Just my two cents worth............ Good Luck with it Doc, Armand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. AMC" <amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxx> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [Amc-list] Preservation Not Restoration > After checking out all the rust encapsulating paint I decided to go with Eastwood. I checked out SEM as Davis Martin suggested. I went to the site got all the part no#'s and went down the street to the Sherman Williams dealer that handles SEM. I like a face to face when I am asking questions After waiting for almost 20 minuets for the boss to get of the phone I was talked to like I didn't know what I was talking about by some young college looking boy 1/3'd my age. The MORON was the one who didn't listen. After I explained what I was going to do he asked if I as going to use the product over the vinyl top. And then asked if the roof was ALUMINUM!!!!! I said good by and walked out. I been working on cars before that little snot nosed rug rat was even a gleam in his fathers eye. So next week the leaky windshield and rust around it gets fixed > "Doc" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20090213/2cf908e2/attachment.htm > _______________________________________________ > Amc-list mailing list > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/09 6:51 AM > > _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list