I agree NASCAR is not the same as it used to be, but part of that is just our memories. Even Trans Am in its heyday was not great racing. The same cars won every week, we just remember it as being awesome. Do you think Richard Petty winning 20 races in one season was fun to watch? With NASCAR, some good races still occur from week to week, and I enjoy watching it. The short tracks, road courses, and the old tracks like Charlotte and Darlington still put on a good show. All the 1.5 mile cookie-cutter tracks could go though, along with Michigan and California, they are all boring. Carl Edwards has put some life into the series over the last couple of years. His last lap attempt to pass Johnson during one of the chase races this year, was quite an effort. He drove it into turn 3 so hard on the last lap he went all the way across the track smacked the wall. He was willing to throw away an easy second place finish to try and win, but has the hard nose attitude to win at all costs. Besides, they have not been stock cars since the late 1960's, when Hollman-moody convinced Nascar to use the same frame, floorboards, etc from their Fords for all the cars. And if you want the current V8 in your street car, go buy one. they are expensive, but available, NASCAR requires them to be. To me, the best racing today is the Grand Am, and Koni Challenge Series. They begin the season at the end of the month with the 24 hours of Daytona, and continue road racing the rest of the year at some of the best tracks in America. Jeff Bohler 1970 Javelin, 390 4-speed _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list