Re: [Amc-list] that NOS rebuild 195.6OHV...

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Quoting Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx:

> 
> You could always have the block tested at one of the labs the feds use to
> investigate gins that the serial number has been ground off of!
>    I believe it will only work on stamped numbers however.
> It measures the compression of the metal under the stamped area allowing them
> to retrieve the information.
> Last time I read up on it they said it could get just about every spec of
> info off of firearms as to grind off enough metal to make the number
> unreadably you made the weapon unuseable!
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> " I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens! "
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> > Casting numbers for the older engines are very hard to find, and the
> listing I 
> > have may not be entirely accurate. Many are reported from owners, and some
> 
> > engines may have been swapped, so the years are approximate at best. It's
> the 
> > best list out there, compiled from many sources, that's all I can say. 
> > 
> > I'll add that head casting number to the list, but it should be something
> like a 
> > 65 head.  The numbers are more or less in numerical order -- the newer
> parts 
> > have higher numbers. I wish the dolts hadn't ground the engine day-build
> code 
> > off!! No way to accurately date the block without it. If the date was there
> it 
> > would be easy to add to the list. I will likely add it to the casting
> number 
> > list though. Numerically it should be a 62-63 block, not 58, but the
> numbers 
> > aren't always in numerical order by year -- usually, but not always. In
> other 
> > words, it could be a 58 block, but there's no way to really tell without
> the 
> > code. 58 was the first year the water pump was on the front of the engine.
> 
> > 
> > The only way to build a reasonably accurate database of casting numbers is
> to 
> > collect them from engines known to be original. The blocks are easy since
> they 
> > have the day-build code, the heads may have been changed though. 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------
> > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:54:48 -0700
> > From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> > 
> > So I got out the red-white-blue book (that book of yours is very handy) 
> > and looked up the block, and that head I got from the yard.
> > 
> > Neither are in there!
> > 
> > THe head has 3167960, cast in, near valve springs, front couple of 
> > cylinders. Part or casting number? It's definitely 195.6 OHV, and it 
> > came out of a 63 (or was it 64) Classic. It was rebuilt "recently" 
> > however, so it's lineage is unknown.
> > 
> > THe block, the boss on the left (passenger) side has NEVER been stamped 
> > or milled. None of the flat bosses over there were milled, rough cast. 
> > There's a matching boss on the right, very front of the block -- but it 
> > was ground off, you can see the marks. This shortblock came from a 
> > rebuilder so that should not be a surprise.
> > 
> > But this casting number is also not in the book! 3160133.
> > 
> > The foundry marker thingie is
> > 
> >                 CWC
> >                  4
> >              (8)         (the clock arrow points at 8).
> > 
> > THat's consistent with 1958 (or 1948!  :-) 
> > 
> > No reason to think it's other than 195.6 (eg 172...) but I spoze I 
> > should check!
> > 
> > -- 
> > Frank Swygert
> > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> > Magazine (AMC)
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> > 
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