Re: [Amc-list] Howell TBI in a 63 Classic...

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

I know your anti modern, xcept your finally trying efi...
Go to an electric fan setup, get one off a taurus or similar mid to late 90's Fraud.
They are two speed fans, beware high speed pulls a buttload of amps.
However 90+% of the time you won't even need low speed.
I run my American on a flip swithc thru a relay. I rarely engage it.
With 180* stat it very seldom sees above 210*. Even in 90* weather it only runs about 192* at anything above 30mph.
   I can usually sit thru a full light and not need to actuate it.
With A/C you will have to see what setting works best, but you should see an improvement in your A/C by running th electric as it will move more air at lights and in stop and go traffic.
   I'm only mentioning this as you are mentioning ping and want it to run cooler.
I'd stay wqith the 180 stat, the howell should do fine with that temp.
   I've done engine driven to electric conversions on a couple of vehilces all have averaged a 1 mpg increase in traffic and low speed driving.
    It also will giving you just a little better throttle response on takeoff.
The 196 would be the ideal engine to do this to as every little bit makes a difference with the smaller engines.

   I run a 80's Xcar fan on my American as it was a freebie. It uses the fan motor that looks like a heater fan.
I had to do some carefull manipulation to get it to fit, but it cools like a bear and seems to be low draw. Nice and quiet too. I ran one of these fans in a 84 Mustang GT and it also cooled the 5.0L down quick too.

   Worth a thought, you can always carry the flexfan for backup!

While we're fanning, 
   I love the fan on the 2004 WJ Grand Cherokee! It is HYDRAULIC! It runs off the P/S pump and the PCM controls it's speed, no noise, no surge when it engages, no roar cold. I wish I could get a controller for this setup and market it. It seems to be an awesome allaround setup. 
   FWIW, I'm averaging 17.5 mpg around town on the WJ after changing to Synthetic oil. Not bad for a Gas guzzling V-8 SUV...

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > No idea on the high flow tstat!
> > Never needed one around here.
> 
> My cooling system is in great shape, the juice is crystal clear, but 
> basically factory stock 1963. I had a 180 degree thermostat in it, two 
> row radiator, stainless steel "RV" flex fan, no shroud. But this motor's 
> been very temperature ping sensitive, and I use it in hot weather under 
> load.
> 
> So I figured I'd simply optimize what I have. I know those "high flow" 
> jobs are oriented to huge V8's but I can't see how increased flow when 
> the thermostat is open can be a bad thing. If it's wide open, it's hot! 
> The pump is stock, so it can only lower pumping losses.
> 
> I've always run 50/50 antifreeze, but in the last 10 years I've only 
> encountered below-32 temps once or twice. Coldest was 9F in Flagstaff 
> some years ago. I'm gonna run as little antifreeze as possible to get me 
> 0F or so. http://www.peakantifreeze.com/images/art_protection_chart_06.gif
> 
> I haven't paid attention to this stuff in years, I always just went 50 
> 50 and didn't think more. Boiling point doesn't raise as much as it 
> lowers freezing point, so for me, 50/50 is not such a good idea.
> 
> I could probably even get away with pure distilled water and that wetter 
> stuff and maybe anticorrosion, and add some antifreeze if I do a winter 
> trip.
> 
> And I'm gonna put on a Flex-O-Lite nylon fan (I like the one I put on 
> the AMerican) and find or make a shroud, and a 195 degree high-flow. 
> It's all easy enough and fits in Rambler Mentality and will all help 
> temperature stability.
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