Joe, I have a very similar situation with my 1965 American w/195-6. My thoughts are that the noise is coming from the fuel pump...I'm going to change it anyway due to a minor leak ...I will let you know if that solves the problem...If you find diffrently, please let me know. Thanks, Bill Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I may have mentioned this before, but my 77 Gremlin 258 six/auto has developed a sound like a rock in the oil pan at idle. The sound goes away when you race the engine. I have listened to various parts of the engine and accessories with a dowel up to my ear, but can't really identify where the sound comes from. The idle is pretty smooth now and the intermittent "crunch" sound doesn't seem to coincide with a drop in rpm. As far as I know the oil pressure is good. I have an idiot light which goes out promptly on startup. Cold cranking compression test last week was 160 psi on all cylinders so the top end seems to be healthy. I'll try to listen near the flex plate/transmission later today to see if the sound comes from back there. I don't think it's a water pump sound either, because the pump is not leaking a bit, but I can take off the fan belts and see if the sound goes away without the pump turning. I already took the belt off of the air pump, which I thought was the source, but the sound doesn't change when the air pump is not turning. Any ideas? Joe Fulton _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080702/50d39d6c/attachment.htm _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list