Re: [Amc-list] New aluminum oil pans

[Davis Martin <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I live in good ol New England. I think we have plenty of crapy roads and not much flat land. I was just talking about my experience. A pan could be made deep and wide to accomodate most. The Canton Pan is not as low as the Milodon and it works well. I have been using the Milodon and it has been good to me since it came out. I have friends using the canton pan and they love it. As long as you have the extra capacity and the pickup doesn't suck air you will be good. I would use a swinging pick up on the street/road race setup.
   JMHO
   Davis 

Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
  Come on over to my house.
It'll probably see the road in short order around here...
I guess if you have an area of flat land and good roads it would do "OK".
There isn't much of either around here.
If you don't build the car to be driveable on the roads it has to deal with, what's the point.
I'd think a wide pan would have more market appeal to a deep pan.
Not that people would not buy the deep pan.
Just that more people would buy a wide pan if it was done right as it would fit more peoples needs.
maybe I'm wrong here.
I can be ignored about it as I don't even own an AMC V-8 newer then a 68 327....

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Davis Martin 
> I can understand that. I have not encountered that problem in my Gremlin. I seem 
> to have plenty of ground clearance even with the Milodon deep pan.
> Davis 
> 
> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Anyone who has ever thought the 4.0L Jeep pan was not that much deeper then a 
> 258 car pan will vouch for the fact there is not ANY extra room for a deeper 
> pan.
> It will hit something.
> Look at the crossmember under 99.9% of our Amc's and Ramblers. You will likely 
> find them scarred by various "things". My 4.0L pan survived one trip down my 
> road, it scraped twice. When I backed the car into the garage the pan snagged 
> the lip going into the garage backwards and peeled open like a sardine can. End 
> of pan. Big mess.
> I would not want a pan that was ANY deeper than a stock pan on any AMC. I don't 
> want the first thing to hit to be that pan ever again.
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
> 
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Armand Eshleman" 
> > Because ground clearance is important on a road racing car, the bottom of
> > the car is very close to the ground, the oil pan cannot be some "deep" thing
> > that sticks below the crossmember. Many road racing cars have dry sumps with
> > external lines connected to the pan to scavenge the oil out of the pan and
> > keep it away from the crank. Many small displacement road racing engines (4
> > cyl) will have a central trough that the oil falls into in the pan and is
> > then scavenged out to the cooler, filter and reservoir. Deep sump and even
> > wide pans that add the oil in a bigger horizontal sump carry all the oil in
> > the pan which without and even with baffling will end up splashing onto the
> > crank during a corner that generates a couple of lateral g's, robbing
> > horsepower, potentially uncorking the oil pickup and causing engine damage.
> > External oil pumps driven off of belts work much better. The reservoir
> > always has oil in it to send into the engine through the pump and cannot
> > loose prime by having the pick up go dry. Think of it the same way you think
> > of a fuel pick up at the back of the fuel tank in a drag car for
> > acceleration g's and maybe that will give you a visualization.
> > Armand
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Davis Martin" 
> > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] New aluminum oil pans
> > 
> > 
> > > I don't understand why anyone would want an external pickup. Does it have
> > to do with road racing? I have never done that. I drive on the street and at
> > the strip but have only used the deep sump internal pick up.
> > > Davis
> > >
> > > Frank Swygert wrote:
> > > Well, I don't have a need for something like this, but I do have a
> > question/suggestion. If the pan is made for an external pickup it should be
> > easy to make a plug for the external line, making one pan fit both. By
> > internal pickup I'm assuming you mean a stock type pickup. I'd think most
> > who want a pan like that would want the external pickup.
> > >
> > > ------------
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:55:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > I am looking for feedback on the desire for a new V8 all aluminum deep oil
> > pan. It will hold approximately 8qt of oil (without hanging down too low),
> > have baffling, trap door and windage tray. Working on two options, external
> > pick up and internal.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Frank Swygert
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