I don't mind being proven wrong at all Andrew! The first thing I did when I read this was pull my 65 TSM. T-96 for 199, T-85 for 232/287. Pulled the 66 -- same thing. Drug out the 67 -- pics are DEFINITELY of a T-96!! Must be a "J" model, as it has the slightly larger input shaft and bearing, but that's just a guess. At least they only used it that one year! I can't imagine the warranty work they had to do over the next year or two, and a few lost customers. I'd be ticked off if a trans went in 2-3 years. Warranties back then weren't likely over a year. Wouldn't want to consider a new AMC if that happened either! well, I might, but most people wouldn't, and would talk bad enough to keep a few others from considering them. Maybe BW stopped producing the T-85? The 290 got a T-86. I bet a more likely answer is that few people ordered the big cars with the three speed and six combo, and AMC tried to cheap out by using the same trans in all models. Would have been better to put a T-85 in the smaller cars than a smaller trans in the big ones though! ---------------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) " From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> " " Only small cars got the T-96 (except for early big cars w/195.6 OHV). just checked my '67 10-50-80 tsm - the regular 3sp described for the 232 is a t96. h/d-fleet option was the t86 used with 290s. '68 for t14 and t15. you're right on the axle though, amc20 all the way. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list