[Amc-list] 401 Oil Mods

[Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Davis,
 
I am not offended and hopefully no one else is.  I am also not brain washed and have been doing this at least as long as you if not longer.  I think other opinions and experience is typically a good thing.  I think using words like never is very short sighted and an engine built for a 1/4 mile at a time is not the same as what a lot of the guys on the list build.  They also see different conditions that are not always as hard on an engine as one that is driven hard on the street all the time as well as races.  True, some of the mods below are not needed for most engines.  I also agree with you that if everything is working properly, and I emphasize properly, most of these are needed.  Some are ways to help the unforeseen or the day you got a little crazy showing off to your buddies.  If you have different ways at doing the same thing, you should share it instead of just criticizing.  I too speak from years of experience with AMCs.  In fact over 25 years
 (and longer if you count my earlier years with my dad) and I have not yet lost a bearing for any reason, oil or abuse on the street or at the track (knock on wood).  I will probably blow up a motor now that I gave myself the hex.  
 
Drilling the oil hole up from the mains is something some of the biggest racers in our hobby did.  The cam bearing oil slot is way too large for one.  It is also on the loaded side of the bearing which it not optimal and can wipe the oil off the journal instead of allowing it to completely coat.  Drilling it to the unloaded side and reducing the size is definitely a good thing.  This is something GM has done for years (take a look at a Chevy cam journal oiling compared to an AMC).  Everyone in the industry knows we have way to much oil going through the lifter galley.  Spin your engine with a stock pan between 5500-7500 rpm without some mod here and see how long your bearing last and I don't mean a 1/4 mile at a time.  You are most likely running a 7-9 quart pan which would say, ok it is fine to have a ton of oil in the upper half of my engine because I have plenty in the pan to ensure I never starve the mains.  A lot of guys don't want to run a deep pan
 or shell out the $400-600 one costs.  You probably have other oil mods that are not even covered here.
 
Before we make strong statements, let other know what you are doing so they understand why you think they are unnecessary.   It is kind of like the guy who says, I run Stock class and turn a 10 sec 1/4 mile with a stock engine.  Stock my butt.  No AMC engine was ever put together the way these engines are that run in that class.  They don't tell you they have $15,000-25,000 in their "stock" engine and more time than you can imagine.
 
Nick,
 
Alfano Performance
4849-76 st.
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends 
 
 
Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    Rick,

It really depends on how you intend to use the engine. There are some standard things you can do that a lot of guys do when they build an AMC. If this is a lite duty, easy driving engine, you can get away without doing them although they are added insurance that are all done for a specific reasons which typically is to increase the longevity of your engine whether it be for racing or street use.
  Answer:
  (This is very true. For a stock engine, it needs no modifications, just a good blueprint job on assembly. )
  

The first is the internal oil line. This goes from the front lifter oiling junction to the area between numbers 6 & 8 lifters and diverts some of the oil back down to the main bearing. Important if you are running over 5500 rpm on a somewhat regular basis. 
  Answer:
  (This is one of the most bogus modifications that has been perpetuated over the years. Let the flaming begin All this is doing is taking oil supply from the front of the engine and moving it to the back. The front doesn't need that oil?  It is a poor band aid for the real issue. poor oil pressure and poor oiling to the back of the engine. In 30 years of racing engines we have never used this modification and it is most unnecessary.)
  

The next would be reducing the oil hole diameter in the cam bearings. Drill the hole opposite to the stock hole and then turn the bearing 180 degrees. There is an old trick that re-drills the oil supply through the three middle main bearing to the unloaded side of the cam bearings. Then you install a pipe plug oil restricter in the oil galley plug. This way is a lot more involved (but a better design) than drilling the bearings. 
  Answer: ( Again unnecessary ) 
  

Third would be a larger pan with external pick up. We custom make a pan with trap doors and a shelf to keep the oil from going all over the place in the pan when accelerating, stopping and turning. There are also other after market pans out there. Using a 12 AN line, we drill and tap the front oil hole in the block to get a direct feed to the oil pump from this external line. You could also purchase the Milodon oil pump adapter for the oil supply.
  Answer: 
  ( I agree on the larger pan with more oil capacity, this should be one of the first modifications.. The extra lines are cool to look at, but again not necessary)

Another mod is the external cam/distributor oiler. We install a 1/8 line from the oil sending unit block over and into the timing cover that spray fresh oil on the area where the two gears meet. 
  Answer:
  ( Again unnecessary. This has no purpose. If the parts are manufactured, and assembled correctly There is no value to this line)

When building a timing cover, I machine out all of the oil passages to remove an flash and radius any bends as much as possible to help with flow. Also, make sure you use a newer style 45 degree filter housing and not the 90 degree one. Also a good idea to purchase the one without the oil by-pass in it.
  Answer:
  ( Great idea, definitly a must do.)
  

I can supply you with all these parts or you can have you engine builder purchase them for you. Most of the stuff is readily available if you know what you are looking for. My kits come with the parts and instructions with illustrations.
  There is alot of good info out there and alot of bogus info out there. It is up to you the reader to decipher what is what. 
  
  (I get flamed all the time by folks that have been brain washed in there ways of the amc oil system but I only speak from direct experience and engineering facts.
  in the 21 years I have been running amc's  with my buddy William Hallock my technical engineer we have NEVER worn a bearing out due to poor oiling.
  Ask me why.
  Davis Martin Amc Team Racing
  860-997-2732 cell ) 
  Sorry if I offended some as I am sure this does.
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