Do a www.Google.com search for: Citric Acid Powder I have found two Chemical Manufacturers that supply the wholesalers, one in New Jersey, one in New York. Citric Acid works best when Warm to Hot. If you plan to let a spray system run overnight on a car shell, I'd think of devising a way to use a Hot Plate under the recovery pot. Here's some Info Repost: Brian, Using Citric Acid will not hurt the paint or Bondo unless rust is under the material. Citric acid will not touch any hydrocarbon deposits .. it doesn't affect aluminum .. it will attack only rust buildup, and leaves the base metal alone. It will brighten copper or brass, without etching it. Citric acid is found in Orange juice, Lemon juice or Tang. Just mix it 1 gallon to 5 gallons water and clean your rusty parts. Its pretty cheap this way and takes only 2-3 days or less. For using Citric Acid Powder: 1 lb. Citric Acid Powder to 10 Gallons Water. Posted by: "bigequip92882" <http://profiles.yahoo.com/bigequip92882> Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:04 pm (PST) Guys, You can go to a wholesale food supplier and buy a bag (25 lbs) of citric acid (Archer Daniels Midland mfgr), and use it to remove rust from anything. The citric acid I use, is a food additive .. it is 100% safe with no serious handling dangers, or nasty side effects .. and it dissolves rust beautifully, with no damage to the underlying good metal. I belong to a Caterpillar club and we use it to remove all the rust from a 60 yr old engine. We mix it in a 55 gallon drum (30 gallons water and about 8 large scoops of citric acid, 3 lbs powder). Then set an engine block into the solution and let it set for a week. When you pull it out it is bright metal and all the rust is gone. You spray or pour on the mixture and let it set, the longer it is left on, the brighter the metal and all the rust is gone. If you want to try it out in a small form, get an orange or grapefruit and squeeze the juice on the rust, let it sit for a couple days (reapplying until you get the rust removed). One thing I should warn about .. the citric acid solution is pretty benign on most metals besides steel .. it has little effect on aluminum, brass and copper .. but it just LOVES enamel! Whatever you do, NEVER use an enamelled container, such as a sink or bathtub, to hold the solution .. because the citric acid will strip that enamel right off, back to the pure cast iron! Another source for citric acid solution is from your local ceramic tile dealer. If grout haze is allowed to sit and get damp before removing, it can set up like a thin cement on the surface of the glaze. Tile shops sell a product that is designed to clean tile, remove the silicone sealant (if it was sealer prior) and remove the cement-like haze. This product is citric acid based and would probably be easier to locate if you don't have ADM in your backyard like I do. I have not tried this product on rusty metal, but it is not expensive and a bit easier to store than a 55 lb bag of granular product. For the final treatment, after I've pressure washed the item, I give it a spray with about a 10% solution of phosphoric acid. This dries rapidly in moderately warm conditions, to a phosphate coating which prevents rust forming again .. and which coating can be either lightly oiled, to further increase protection .. or it can be primed or painted over, directly. I just use a small spray bottle, as available from the local supermarket or "$2 store", to spray the phosphoric solution on. An alternative is using a left-over kitchen or laundry cleaner spray bottle .. but these tend to be pretty cheap and nasty construction, and generally don't last long. It pays to not keep the solution in the bottle, for any length of time .. but only make up enough for immediate use .. as the trigger and return spring mechanism in these cheap Chinese spray bottles, tend to gum up, if the solution is left in them for an extended period. My 2 cents again!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080209/731cac40/attachment.htm _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list