[Amc-list] 1965 196 full-flow filter oil pump on 58-63 American?

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>]

I don't usually reply to my own posts, but I have to recant my statement! 
I just got out from under the hood of the 65 w/L-head and full flow filter oil pump. It just might fit the 58-63 American, but it will be TIGHT! I just went and looked at my 62 parts car to confirm. 

On the full-flow pump the filter is 90 degrees to the pump body. This puts it leaning out at about 15 degrees from the engine block (about the same angle as the distributor in a 232). The center of the filter is about half-way between the end of the pump cover and block. The top of the idler arm sits closest to the pump. Since the E-stick control valve fits on top of the oil pump in the 62-63 American, the slightly taller full-flow pump cover will fit also. The filter, however, would go right up into the front upper control arm pivot rod bolt. If the filter is the same as the early 232 a remote adapter should work (using a remote adapter for the same -- provided there is one, and I think there is). The pump has a tube that goes up into the filter, so it may be a special filter for that year only as well. Of course if the threads are the same as the 232 filter the tube can be shortened and an adapter used. This option really depends on the filter used. I don't trust on-line ca
 talogs (like Rock auto) to have the correct part number for the 65 196 since it's a one-year-only item -- I bet they list the same filter for all 196 engines (at least 58-65). 

Tom, you need to get that pump from Joe and check it out! You will need the entire pump body, not just the filter adapter (which screws off -- Joe, removing it might make it easier to pack, send in two pieces). The pump cover has the oil pressure relief valve in it instead of in the side of the block. There should be no harm in leaving the block mounted pressure relief valve in place, it just dumps oil back to the pan. It could be plugged though -- just put a length of steel rod in place of the spring or use a stiffer spring. 


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Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:58:17 -0500
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>

No, the top cover is different and won't clear between the oil pump and right chassis rail on the 50-55 Nash Rambler or 58-63 American. The old pump cover is relatively flat and there's only about 1/2" of space between the chassis and pump, IIRC. 

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:05:47 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)

" From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>

" 3. There is a full flow filter system available that will fit the big
" cars, but not the 50-55 Nash Rambler or 58-63 American (it will fit
" the 64 American). All 1965 Americans with the 196 have a full flow oil
" pump and filter. A few late manufacture 64s have been found with them,
" but they may have been added by later owners. The entire oil pump must
" be changed out. The same pump is used on L-head and OHV engines. I'm
" not sure what oil filter it takes, but believe it's the same as the 65
" 232, not the older 196 filter. 

would this pump with a remote filter setup fit the early-style
americans?

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