They have been beating the bushes about this over on wastewatts. The consensus of all the knowledgable guys is that so far to date there is no way to get the hydrogen that it would not better to use something else. They state that even the solar methods are a waste as you can get more energy from charging battery banks then converting to hydrogen I don't know I've not done any hands on work, but the one guy is an off grid liver for many years and has experimented with alot of different ways to do things. -- Mark Price Morgantown, WV 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 " I was different before people dared to be different" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> > So is alcohol -- depending on how it's produced. New methods are much more > efficient than old ones. With hydrogen it all depends on how you produce it. > Splitting it from H2O usually (or used to) take as much electric energy from the > grid as you get (got?) in hydrogen gas. There are other ways that may be more > productive. One company on the net (don't recall who!) had a novel idea -- they > sell you a solar powered hydrogen generator that splits it from water, so it's > all "free"! The big problem is it takes a couple days to get a tank of hydrogen, > which will only cover 60-70 miles, IIRC. Using hydrogen in a fuel cell to create > electricity is supposed to be much more efficient than burning the gas directly. > That's why the fuel cell cars from GM. It would be easy to convert gas stations > that way too -- just pump the chemical(s) instead of gasoline. So the existing > infrastructure could be used, lessening costs impact. Heck, the oil companies > could invest some of their gougings... e > r... savings... in hydrogen/chemical plants and make a complete circle of it! > We could still be at their mercy, keeping them happy too... (tongue firmly in > cheek on that one!) > > > -------------- > --- Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > > Yahoo has a group called wastewatts that has been > > > beating the hydrogen issue to death recently. > > > You may want to read up on it. They say it is energy > > > neutral or even negative, as in it takes more energy > > > to create then it produces! > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > _______________________________________________ > Amc-list mailing list > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list