" From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " Yeah sure... there is probably a 1930's something Suburban, also. Even in Fords... I think I came across a 1913 Ford "thuckster" and I think a fellow near here has something like that that used to be used to haul people around his orchard It was a Model T truck type. Also saw a picture of a 1928 Model A Station Wagon that was similar. There is even something that Our Ramblers folks produced and sent to WWI and left many buried in France that was all 4 wheel drive trucks. They were pretty much trucks (the Jeffrey). Maybe some were ambulances. The same is true with Dodges and others. You can call all of them special utility vehicles or SUV's. few of these were 4wd or awd, the jefferies being a notable exception. but dodge built a staff car - open - with a back seat, on the m37 power wagon chassis in ww2. " "SUV" term was coined in recent years and all it means is special utility vehicle. Everybody's had these, forever... Even Sears Roebuck. and Crosley. We used to call all of these things "panel trucks" whee I came from. Maybe different for other places... Probably nobody should feel left out in being ignored in consideration for the first "SUV" i thought suv stood for -sport- [hah!] utility vehicle. common usage for suv today means something with more seats than just the front one[s]. that lets out most panel trucks. dubious whether even double cab pickups before the last decade would qualify, but after cadillac and lincoln started making 'em... i think a good argument can be made for the willys wagon, since it was the first 4wd to aim anywhere close to the mainstream. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list