One man's opinion. I have been an AMC fan since I was 10 years old I guess when we moved into a small rural town that had a Desoto/Plymouth dealer and a Nash/Jeep dealer. I have owned some AMC cars when they were late model used cars and since that time I have purchased AMC cars to enjoy in the hobby, but to be sure! As far as I am concerned AMC manufactured a few butt ugly cars, specialized in really ugly colors and despite what some people loudly proclaim, I do not think that they were ahead of their time or in some cases particularly well built. That however does not detract me from enjoying the products. For example. A model that I think was particularly pretty from when viewed from any direction was the Motor Trend car of the Year 1963 Rambler in any guise. It was contemporary in design and could be considered a style leader of it's time. However the modification to distinguish the 1964 model from the 1963 model with its particularly ugly pooched out grill turned a graceful design into a lump! I would still like to find a nice '63. I would not spend the money to own a 64. But keep in mind, design in and of itself will have fans and detractors. That is what makes design. The opposite of that, in my opinion could be the entire GM line in the 70's where they put a lot of effort to make all large car models a variation of the Chevy Impala or Caprice by changing end caps and grills and trying to make them generic or possibly UNI-Sex in order to not offend the design taste of the buying public in any area. This could be defined as making them all universally acceptable or all universally offensive to taste depending on the view point. As this area may be considered the beginnings of GM down turn in market acceptance, I think universally offensive is a better description. Other AMC cars that I feel went wrong were the later Hornets. The grills are certainly lacking in beauty as compared to the simplicity and graceful design of the very first Hornets. And I own two of them, a Hatch Back and a Sportabout, both models that I really desired to own. Although the Hatch Back will be sold when I finish it. I realy would like to back fit a 70 style grill in both of them. The original Gremlin with it's 13" wheels and tires looked as if a truncated Hornet was sitting on top of a Pregnant Roller Skate. I can in no way say that the Gremlin equipped with little bitty wheels with dog dish hub caps looked anything but Fugly!!!! But with wheels and tires that were big enough to fill the wheel well opening the looks transformed into something that defiantly looked aggressive and purposeful. My late model 71 Gremlin X was an eye catching road warrior rather than a an automotive cartoon caricature. As far as Pacers go, I wanted one when they were new. I could not afford one, but I wanted one, as a coupe. The station wagon made no sense to me at all and as far as looks went it had very little good looks to it. And I like station wagons, but I like hatch backs better. The car had the appearance of what is now referred to as a bottom breather and it had stylish design that would not quit excepts for the wagon in my opinion. But when they uglied up the front end to put that funky grill in it any illusion of style and looks disappeared completely. Another version of ugly that I also own is a Spirit. That cheesy looking flat black painted egg crate grill or what ever color it happened to be is in my opinion one of the ugliest monstrosities that ever hit the front of an automobile. When I started with this car it was because I had been unable to find a Hornet Hatch Back that was in any kind of shape that had a clear title to it and this was a viable alternative. I was able to solve what I considered the "ugly grill problem" by obtaining a '79 Concord horizontal chrome bar grill and an 80 Concord Water Fall chrome bar grill, both of which I like far better and would co-ordinate with the aluminum side trim. One grill picks up the vertical lines next to the doors, the other picks up the horizontal trim just above the rocker panels. I think it is a great improvement on the looks and I change the grills when I want a different appearance. However I must point out that my 80 Spirit and my 80 AMX are both keepers! This does not include the big chrome chunk that is on the front of the hood. That is fugly! I keep the simple small stylish piece that was used on the Spirit. What is the point of this? I like my AMC cars, I own 5, 2 unfinished. They are show winners. They are fun to drive! I am proud of them and support the hobby! But this does not mean that all versions of AMC cars are wunnerfull in my opinion, some were not, some in my opinion were arguably damned poor in design, execution and color, personally I place the Eagle and most Concords in that category. None were "ahead of their time" most were equal to their time and some out dated 'specially the Concord. But they're mine and whether some one agrees with me or not is irrelevant. That is what makes the world go round. So if there is a poll some where that picks up an AMC car as ugly, well so what! Ignorance or lack of knowledge is part of the problem, the same can be said for an Edsel , I thought the '58 was quite a striking automobile when they were new. But as long as the same poll picks up on an Aztec then I would have to believe that really ugly has been identified and after all GM sold an awful lot of Vega's and there was a true lousy car. And today what is popular, a 4 door sedan in almost all guises and made in Korea is not a determent. 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