Re: [Amc-list] 74 j-10 Jeep Pickup
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- From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:10:29 -0400
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> 1. Re: 79 concord electric wagon (Garry Nordstrom)
> 2. Re: 79 concord electric wagon (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
> 3. Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8 (John Marquardt)
> 4. Re: Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8 (Todd Tomason)
> 5. Re: Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8 (Todd Tomason)
> 6. Re: AMC Nationals T-shirt design (Larry R. Daum)
> 7. 74 j-10 Jeep Pickup (L.D. Lyons)
> 8. Re: 74 j-10 Jeep Pickup (Wayne MacQuarrie)
> 9. Re: American Parts Depot (Armand Eshleman) (John Eckersley)
> 10. Re: American Parts Depot (Armand Eshleman)
> (amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> 11. if cam related..... (Andrew Blomer)
> 12. noisy after rebuild (Andrew Blomer)
> 13. Re: noisy after rebuild (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:23:06 -0500
> From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 79 concord electric wagon
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <000d01c7ea8b$2c7a8850$6400a8c0@MONICA>
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> Mark,
>
> Thanks for the response, but I posted my electric conconrd wagon on the
> list, and again, much like you, are encountering pain, due to shoulder
> surgery. I understand that you have to scale back on projects. I am hopefull
> that at some point, the pain situation is corrected, for both of us.
>
> Best Regards,
> Garry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 79 concord electric wagon
>
>
>
>> Before July 16th of 2006 I'd have been drooling all over this...
>> Now, I'm no longer looking at any new projects. I'll be happy just to be
>> able to do some more on the ones I have.
>> I've been trying to get someone to help me with pain management since the
>> middle of July.
>> I'm hoping to maintain my sanity till I get in to see someone else. The
>> Local Pain clinic decided to move their office and simply shut down till
>> they get moved. No phone calls, nothing. When I saw them in July they
>> promised to try an epidural steriod injection within two weeks! They did
>> not ever schedule it, so I told them to get it scheduled for this week
>> after vacation. No dice, I called, they are closed, My Primary care doc
>> called, they are closed. He paged the head of the clinic, the guy never
>> asnwered the page! The clinic reopens Sept 6th, but I have no appt.
>> So I'm now trying to get into another pain management clinic an hour from
>> here in the hopes that someone will see me. I've got 6 pills left, My
>> primary care guy does not want to give me a script for more!
>> I'm feeling very SCREWED right now.
>>
>> On the vehicle front, I did buy a Hurst shifter for my Dakota! Evilbay.
>> $40 cheaper then a new one and it comes with all the custom one off pieces
>> to put it in an 01 as Hurst only lists it for up to 2000 model years.
>> I'm hoping the shorter throws will help save some wear and tear on my
>> shoulder, plus, I just wanted one in the truck! I fear I will be looking
>> for a vehicle with an automatic soon :[
>>
>> The American is parked. I don't feel much like fooling with it or the
>> convertible right now.
>> My wife says I'm nasty and depressed, I tend to agree with her.
>>
>> Well, enough rambling for now.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Price
>> Morgantown, WV
>> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
>> " I was different before people dared to be different"
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Frank: Due to reasons i can't control, i have decided to sell to
>>> electric
>>> car, remember only 491 miles on it, everything still original, pulled the
>>> plastic off the doors, to be show, needs. media blasting.
>>> I will be pickey on who buys it, hate to do but that;s life.
>>> Garry
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Frank Swygert" <farna@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Hornet 2dr - rust free - eBay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> HA!! Fortunately I'm picking up a couple 65 Americans, a 220 two door
>>>> post
>>>> and a 330 wagon, in the next month or so. Unless they are to badly
>>>> rusted -- have to go see them yet. I might turn the two door into a
>>>> right
>>>> hand drive vehicle. I'm seriously thinking about it anyway! Have to get
>>>> a
>>>> look at an Aussie brake setup...
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:28:16 +0000
>>>> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Hornet 2dr - rust free - eBay
>>>>
>>>> Frank needs these for a project cars when he gets the house done!
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Price
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Frank Swygert
>>>> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
>>>> Magazine (AMC)
>>>> For all AMC enthusiasts
>>>> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
>>>> (free download available!)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:43:05 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 79 concord electric wagon
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <082920072243.3743.46D5F6790004E68B00000E9F2212020784CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Yeah, I know you aimed the post at the list. I was venting my frustration.
> I sincerely hope you have better results then I have had. I try to keep a positive attitude, but it is very hard at this point.
> It's been over 13 months since this all started for me. I never dreamed the least of my injuries would be the worst.
> Docs that say they can't fix it, Physical therapy, surgery and now docs that won't help me.
> I wish I was actually in the position to buy that wagon from you. I wanted it when you bought it off of evilbay. Still do.
> I'd love to see it fully restored and operable, and in my garage! I've always had a deep interest in electric cars. It's also ironic that we finally have a job posting out for another guy at work which will allow me to have spare time to work on my stuff. Only to find that I may as well not have it. Doing physical labor right now only leads to misery. I actually signed up to steward Union labor at a concert this weekend as it is better then sitting around being miserable, plus it'll help me pay off some of the evilbay stuff I keep buying in the hopes I will be able to use it soon!
> I will hold out hope that when I get into a pain clinic one of the few options left will work or at least let me work on a limited basis. Otherwise I will begin parting out everything but the American. I can find enough funds to pay someone to do the new trans and rearend in it. I can't begin to fund the convertible, it will have to go.
>
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> " I was different before people dared to be different"
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Thanks for the response, but I posted my electric conconrd wagon on the
>> list, and again, much like you, are encountering pain, due to shoulder
>> surgery. I understand that you have to scale back on projects. I am hopefull
>> that at some point, the pain situation is corrected, for both of us.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Garry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 79 concord electric wagon
>>
>>
>>
>>> Before July 16th of 2006 I'd have been drooling all over this...
>>> Now, I'm no longer looking at any new projects. I'll be happy just to be
>>> able to do some more on the ones I have.
>>> I've been trying to get someone to help me with pain management since the
>>> middle of July.
>>> I'm hoping to maintain my sanity till I get in to see someone else. The
>>> Local Pain clinic decided to move their office and simply shut down till
>>> they get moved. No phone calls, nothing. When I saw them in July they
>>> promised to try an epidural steriod injection within two weeks! They did
>>> not ever schedule it, so I told them to get it scheduled for this week
>>> after vacation. No dice, I called, they are closed, My Primary care doc
>>> called, they are closed. He paged the head of the clinic, the guy never
>>> asnwered the page! The clinic reopens Sept 6th, but I have no appt.
>>> So I'm now trying to get into another pain management clinic an hour from
>>> here in the hopes that someone will see me. I've got 6 pills left, My
>>> primary care guy does not want to give me a script for more!
>>> I'm feeling very SCREWED right now.
>>>
>>> On the vehicle front, I did buy a Hurst shifter for my Dakota! Evilbay.
>>> $40 cheaper then a new one and it comes with all the custom one off pieces
>>> to put it in an 01 as Hurst only lists it for up to 2000 model years.
>>> I'm hoping the shorter throws will help save some wear and tear on my
>>> shoulder, plus, I just wanted one in the truck! I fear I will be looking
>>> for a vehicle with an automatic soon :[
>>>
>>> The American is parked. I don't feel much like fooling with it or the
>>> convertible right now.
>>> My wife says I'm nasty and depressed, I tend to agree with her.
>>>
>>> Well, enough rambling for now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Price
>>> Morgantown, WV
>>> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
>>> " I was different before people dared to be different"
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>> From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Frank: Due to reasons i can't control, i have decided to sell to
>>>> electric
>>>> car, remember only 491 miles on it, everything still original, pulled the
>>>> plastic off the doors, to be show, needs. media blasting.
>>>> I will be pickey on who buys it, hate to do but that;s life.
>>>> Garry
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Frank Swygert" <farna@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Hornet 2dr - rust free - eBay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> HA!! Fortunately I'm picking up a couple 65 Americans, a 220 two door
>>>>> post
>>>>> and a 330 wagon, in the next month or so. Unless they are to badly
>>>>> rusted -- have to go see them yet. I might turn the two door into a
>>>>> right
>>>>> hand drive vehicle. I'm seriously thinking about it anyway! Have to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> look at an Aussie brake setup...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:28:16 +0000
>>>>> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Hornet 2dr - rust free - eBay
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank needs these for a project cars when he gets the house done!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Price
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Frank Swygert
>>>>> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
>>>>> Magazine (AMC)
>>>>> For all AMC enthusiasts
>>>>> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
>>>>> (free download available!)
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Marquardt <2brokenlegs_skiing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <69801.11638.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> I'm stumped. I am trying to put the delco single wire alternator in my 70 360 V8. I removed the metal off of the large mounting tang on the delco alternator and it slips into the top bracket hole without a problem. At the bottom of the bracket I started filing away at the adjusting slot to get enough clearance for the alternator bolt, but just realized that I won't be able to really adjust the alternator position because it will hit the oil filter.
>
> The alternator bracket is one piece and there does not appear to be any simple way to adjust it. Anybody have any suggestions? I am ready to get another motorola and forget about the delco swap.......
>
> John
> 70 Ambassador SST
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:27:09 -0500
> From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> On Wednesday 29 August 2007 18:13, John Marquardt wrote:
>
>> I'm stumped. I am trying to put the delco single wire alternator in my 70
>> 360 V8. I removed the metal off of the large mounting tang on the delco
>> alternator and it slips into the top bracket hole without a problem. At
>> the bottom of the bracket I started filing away at the adjusting slot to
>> get enough clearance for the alternator bolt, but just realized that I
>> won't be able to really adjust the alternator position because it will hit
>> the oil filter.
>>
>> The alternator bracket is one piece and there does not appear to be any
>> simple way to adjust it. Anybody have any suggestions? I am ready to get
>> another motorola and forget about the delco swap.......
>>
>> John
>> 70 Ambassador SST
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:28:48 -0500
> From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Delco Alternator Swap 70 V8
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <200708291828.48359.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Are you trying to use the bracket from the Motorola? I've always been told
> this is a difficult fit. It's much easier if you get the bracket from a
> later vehicle that had a Delco alternator.
>
> Todd
>
> On Wednesday 29 August 2007 18:13, John Marquardt wrote:
>
>> I'm stumped. I am trying to put the delco single wire alternator in my 70
>> 360 V8. I removed the metal off of the large mounting tang on the delco
>> alternator and it slips into the top bracket hole without a problem. At
>> the bottom of the bracket I started filing away at the adjusting slot to
>> get enough clearance for the alternator bolt, but just realized that I
>> won't be able to really adjust the alternator position because it will hit
>> the oil filter.
>>
>> The alternator bracket is one piece and there does not appear to be any
>> simple way to adjust it. Anybody have any suggestions? I am ready to get
>> another motorola and forget about the delco swap.......
>>
>> John
>> 70 Ambassador SST
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:57:36 -0700
> From: "Larry R. Daum" <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] AMC Nationals T-shirt design
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> RE:AMC Nationals t-shirt design
>
> I just posted to the NAMDRA forum at :http:\\www.amcdragracing.com a
> preliminary design for this years AMC Nationals t-shirt. We were not
> completely happy with the design as Ray Larson's lumpy Javelin was
> too small , and too much in the back ground. The outfit we use for
> t-shirt has a new design artist for the shirts, who while good , we
> have not worked with before. The design is being corrected but I
> thought I'd put up the first iteration and show people some of the
> design process that goes into a good meet t-shirt design. It is the
> first thing under the NAMDRA logo merchandise area. thanks, LRDaum
> National VP NAMDRA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:16:37 -0500
> From: "L.D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] 74 j-10 Jeep Pickup
> To: "AMC-List" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <000a01c7eaa3$6a04b250$6401a8c0@lyons>
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> I found a 74 J-10 Pickup for sale. It is all there. V8 Auto, 4 wheel Drive,
> Power steering, A/C(don't know if it works but it is all there, Long box,
> grill & bumpers are straight, but there ia a lot of rust, rockers are gone,
> lower rear corners of box are rusted out, outside of box has lots of rust at
> floor level. outside of the rust struck is pretty straight. The lady just
> lost her husband and wants to sell the pickup, says he drove it the day he
> passed away. Has a 102000 original miles.
> Can anyone give me an idea what this would be worth. I'm not looking to
> steal it, but would give a fair price for it. By the way it has the name
> Pioneer on the sides at the rear of the box, Has Buckets and center arm
> rest, looks like it was the fancier trim package.
> Butch Lyons
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:16:45 -0300
> From: Wayne MacQuarrie <waynem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 74 j-10 Jeep Pickup
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <46D6288D.4090607@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Butch --Call APJ Automotive in lower sackville and ask for Andre. He
> would have a pretty good idea or possibly knows the truck. These trucks
> were real fuel guzzlers and were notorious for their rust issues. Be
> VERY careful!! What motor ? 8 cylinder engines for 74 were 304,360 and
> 401 cid. Only a few were 304. Fun trucks though...
>
> Wayne
>
> L.D. Lyons wrote:
>
>
>> I found a 74 J-10 Pickup for sale. It is all there. V8 Auto, 4 wheel Drive,
>> Power steering, A/C(don't know if it works but it is all there, Long box,
>> grill & bumpers are straight, but there ia a lot of rust, rockers are gone,
>> lower rear corners of box are rusted out, outside of box has lots of rust at
>> floor level. outside of the rust struck is pretty straight. The lady just
>> lost her husband and wants to sell the pickup, says he drove it the day he
>> passed away. Has a 102000 original miles.
>> Can anyone give me an idea what this would be worth. I'm not looking to
>> steal it, but would give a fair price for it. By the way it has the name
>> Pioneer on the sides at the rear of the box, Has Buckets and center arm
>> rest, looks like it was the fancier trim package.
>> Butch Lyons
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:39:33 +0100
> From: "John Eckersley" <john.eckersley@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] American Parts Depot (Armand Eshleman)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> APD have been great with me - shipping parts to England no problem and
> excellent service. Doug has been great at answering my e-mail
> questions.
>
> As for the calipers, mine are shot too. I spent hours dismantling and
> rebuilding them and honed the bores, only to reassemble and find they
> are no better. As soon as I get a decent pressure built up using the
> vac bleeding kit I have, fuild just pours out of the bores -
> interestingly, it's the lower outer bore on each caliper that's bad.
>
> I was considering whether there might be a better option than
> resleeved calipers (not least because I have to ship the old ones to
> the USA and that ain't cheap) - I hear the later single pot setup is
> more reliable but I have been told the spindles and other fittings
> need changing. I was wondering if there are any "performance"
> calipers (wilwood, brembo, whatever) that would fit in place of the 4
> pot bendix ones.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:21:08 +1000
> From: amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] American Parts Depot (Armand Eshleman)
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:00:34 +0000
> From: "Andrew Blomer" <lotharamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] if cam related.....
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> If I did manage to destroy my cam. Is it worthwile to get an aftermarket cam
> that doesn't require changing things such as valve springs, exhaust, and
> carb?
>
> To go after market will cost me roughly $50 more. Would going from .381 to
> .416 lift gain me much? ("milage" comp cam) Assuming this is possible
> without changing the valvesprings (I still have to check when they will
> bind) My only attempt at an aftermarket cam was in a 360 and it was a turd,
> so I need some advice here too.
>
> Thanks
> Andy
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:49:47 +0000
> From: "Andrew Blomer" <lotharamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] noisy after rebuild
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> This relates to some discussions recently. This is on a 66 232 in a Classic
>
> I just did a rering job along with a newly ground crank. I didn't change the
> cam bearings, or cam. I did replace the lifters because I forgot about them
> the first time I turned the engine over (physically) without the head on.
> About half of them fell out and landed in the grimmy pan I had under the
> engine stand.
>
> It is all together and running now, but noisy. I have 60 psi oil pressure at
> startup, and 45-50 when its warm. When I start it after letting it sit
> overnight, I get very loud lifter/valvetrain type noises for about 3
> seconds, and then it quiets down. It is almost as loud as a bearing type
> knock, but sounds like a valvetrain type sound. After that, it sounds like a
> small Kabota deisel tractor. Kinda groully ticking. Oh yeah, I did run the
> engine for 15 minutes to try to match the lifters to the cam.
>
> Thats what I have....so far what I have done...
> I removed the valve cover to listen and see if anything was wrong. The
> rockers seemed a little dry so I removed the bolt where the oil comes in,
> and found I had a partial clog. I cleaned that location out, along with all
> the other bolt locations, in order, down the shaft to make sure there wasn't
> another clog down the line. I did this while it was running so the oil would
> push out whatever I got loose. When I was done, there was plenty of oil up
> top, and the consistent noise had reduced some, but not even close to what
> it should be.
>
> Now I notice that the marks I put on the pushrods for reassembly are
> spinning. All except for 3 of them at various unrelated locations. 2 are
> spinning like tops (1 rev per second), and the rest are turning about 1 rev
> per 4-5 seconds. Concerning the 3 that arn't turning. If I turn one (any) by
> hand about 90 degrees, it will rotate around at the 4-5 second pace until it
> gets to its favorite spot and stop again.
>
> My deduction.... I think the loud startup noise is from the old worn cam
> bearings allowing the oil to drain down overnight. The lifters drain and
> take a few seconds to pump up again. The quiter constant clacking/ticking is
> from the new lifters not conforming to the old cam, not rotating, and
> probably wearing down the cam lobe the more I run it.
>
> The recent discussion content?... I broke it in with 15W40 rotela, and had
> assembly lube on the cam. (new lifters, old cam)
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? I just put this thing back
> together and am not looking forward to taking it apart again.
>
> I know this is long, but I wanted to get all the information I could out
> there.
>
> Thanks
> Andy
>
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> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:57 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] noisy after rebuild
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> If the cam looked good, I'm surprised you are having this much trouble. The new lifters should not be an issue and should have worked fine on a used cam. No oil to the top end should not affect lifter rotation either as the oil "should" be in the lifter. Especially with the shaft head. My knee jerk reaction is the cam is actually bad. Your pressure is great, so i doubt your cam bearings are shot. Could be lifters themselves. what oil filter is on it? The drain back valve in it could be bad, allowing drainback.
> It all comes back to, if your not getting rotation you are going to end up needing a cam, sooner or later.
> Did the engine run before? I mean did you have it running before all this to see what was the condition of things?
>
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> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
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> From: "Andrew Blomer" <lotharamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> This relates to some discussions recently. This is on a 66 232 in a Classic
>>
>> I just did a rering job along with a newly ground crank. I didn't change the
>> cam bearings, or cam. I did replace the lifters because I forgot about them
>> the first time I turned the engine over (physically) without the head on.
>> About half of them fell out and landed in the grimmy pan I had under the
>> engine stand.
>>
>> It is all together and running now, but noisy. I have 60 psi oil pressure at
>> startup, and 45-50 when its warm. When I start it after letting it sit
>> overnight, I get very loud lifter/valvetrain type noises for about 3
>> seconds, and then it quiets down. It is almost as loud as a bearing type
>> knock, but sounds like a valvetrain type sound. After that, it sounds like a
>> small Kabota deisel tractor. Kinda groully ticking. Oh yeah, I did run the
>> engine for 15 minutes to try to match the lifters to the cam.
>>
>> Thats what I have....so far what I have done...
>> I removed the valve cover to listen and see if anything was wrong. The
>> rockers seemed a little dry so I removed the bolt where the oil comes in,
>> and found I had a partial clog. I cleaned that location out, along with all
>> the other bolt locations, in order, down the shaft to make sure there wasn't
>> another clog down the line. I did this while it was running so the oil would
>> push out whatever I got loose. When I was done, there was plenty of oil up
>> top, and the consistent noise had reduced some, but not even close to what
>> it should be.
>>
>> Now I notice that the marks I put on the pushrods for reassembly are
>> spinning. All except for 3 of them at various unrelated locations. 2 are
>> spinning like tops (1 rev per second), and the rest are turning about 1 rev
>> per 4-5 seconds. Concerning the 3 that arn't turning. If I turn one (any) by
>> hand about 90 degrees, it will rotate around at the 4-5 second pace until it
>> gets to its favorite spot and stop again.
>>
>> My deduction.... I think the loud startup noise is from the old worn cam
>> bearings allowing the oil to drain down overnight. The lifters drain and
>> take a few seconds to pump up again. The quiter constant clacking/ticking is
>> from the new lifters not conforming to the old cam, not rotating, and
>> probably wearing down the cam lobe the more I run it.
>>
>> The recent discussion content?... I broke it in with 15W40 rotela, and had
>> assembly lube on the cam. (new lifters, old cam)
>>
>> Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? I just put this thing back
>> together and am not looking forward to taking it apart again.
>>
>> I know this is long, but I wanted to get all the information I could out
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andy
>>
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The rust is the big problem! I paid $2400 for mine a couple years ago.
It has a good bit of rust, but doesn't sound quite as bad as this one.
The only reason I gave so much is that it had the equipment I wanted
(six cylinder four speed, NOT lifted/geared/molested in any way), and
the transmission and transfer case had recently been rebuilt along with
new universals in the front axle. If I were in the market for a V-8
powered J-10 I think the most what you're looking at would be worth to
me is about $1500. I'd say in the $1000-$2000 range depending on how bad
you want it. As you guessed, Pioneer was the fancier version. Mine's
bone stock except that the previous owner took the bench seat out and
installed factory buckets and center armrest from a full size Cherokee.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:16:37 -0500
From: "L.D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
I found a 74 J-10 Pickup for sale. It is all there. V8 Auto, 4 wheel Drive,
Power steering, A/C(don't know if it works but it is all there, Long box,
grill & bumpers are straight, but there ia a lot of rust, rockers are gone,
lower rear corners of box are rusted out, outside of box has lots of rust at
floor level. outside of the rust struck is pretty straight. The lady just
lost her husband and wants to sell the pickup, says he drove it the day he
passed away. Has a 102000 original miles.
Can anyone give me an idea what this would be worth. I'm not looking to
steal it, but would give a fair price for it. By the way it has the name
Pioneer on the sides at the rear of the box, Has Buckets and center arm
rest, looks like it was the fancier trim package.
Butch Lyons
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