Two totally different engines! The Poncho OHC was produced from 66-69 and based on the Chevy six block (I'm pretty sure the block casting is different for the OHC though). Pontiac may have taken some inspiration from the Kaiser engine. Andrew is correct -- the 380 does refer to 3.8L, the W designates the three Weber carbs. 380 hp *would* be quite a feat! After looking back over my own article research, I found that the Nurburgring cars developed 290 hp. It was bored to 3950cc and had the three Webers. The street version was around 220-230 hp. But I knew there was something about 380 hp and the Torino six! A 385 hp 4.0L version was used in an Argentine F1 car in the early 70s. The Tornado engine was used through 1972, the name was changed to Torino (for the engine) when it was revised for seven mains instead of four. The head design was also revised. The F1 car used a Torino engine, and most likely was turbocharged. I only found one pic, and it didn't show the engine well enough to say for sure, but most F1 cars were back then. ---------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:49:01 +0000 From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx isn't it the pontiac overhead cam six that could be foudn in both Pontiac cars and Jeeps? All I really remember is that it leaked oil, a lot! -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list