Sorry Tom.....been there and done that...The TF/TC will not fit with the ring in there..it has to come out...or you will not be able to bolt up the TC to the flexplate....also you stand a chance of damaging the front pump ears if you try to bolt the trany/TC to the engine with out taking the ring out...Jim _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list