Re: [Amc-list] 1967 Rebel Wagon with Overdrive 232 Six

[Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>]

John said:

>I have a 1967 Rebel Wagon, 232 Six with Overdrive that I have had since 1973 
>but just got running within the last 6 months.  


Man, I would love to find a manual-trans, OD-equipped car like that.


>I have an old Chilton Manual that shows a Type-20 Warner T-90 or a Type -21 
>Warner T-96.  Can anyone tell me how to determine which one I have or where on 
>the transmission to look for the part number?


This is an excerpt from my Transmission Interchange article:

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>model           type                    used in                         years
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>T-96            3-sp non-synchro        196/199/232                     60-71
>                ** The T-96 was also used in Jeeps starting with the CJ2, 
>                ** Studebaker sixes, and early Falcons.
>                ** In 60-63, apparently there were two slightly 
>                ** diff. T-96 models, one used on the senior 
>                ** cars with 6 cyls and an alternate one used 
>                ** on the 60-63 American.
>
>T-96J           3-sp non-synchro        232                             70-72
>                ** T-96J is a hd version of the T-96 with a 
>                ** larger mainshaft and bearings.
>                ** Found in American/Hornet/Gremlin w/HD option;
>                ** also used on '67 rebel 232s.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>T-86            3-sp non-synchro        196                             50-59
>(maybe T-90?)                           196/199/232/287/290             63-67
>                ** For sixes, for optional HD applications only.
>                ** Ford also used T-86s with o/d on 289s.
>                ** T-86 has a top cover [6 bolts like the t-14].
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

...

>**********************************************************************
>IDENTIFYING AMC MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
>**********************************************************************
>
>Notes from Ken Ames <amesk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: Here's a crude guide to some AMC manual transmissions. It uses the number of cover bolts and the shape of the shifter bosses (where the shifters enter the trans) for ID.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Get the number of cover bolts and the shape of the shifter bosses
>(where the shifter enters the trans) for the ID.
>
>model           additional info                         main case length
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>T-86            6 bolt, round, connected with brace     8"
>T-90            6 bolt, round, connected with brace     8"
>T-96            4 bolt, round, separate                 7"
>T-14            6 bolt, 1/2 round, separate             8.66"
>T-15            8 bolt, 1/2 round, connected            10"
>150-T           9 bolt, round, small & large section    9.25"
>SR-4/HR-4       10 bolt, enclosed                       ?
>
>---------------------------
>
>Andrew Hay <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> sent in this note(s) and diagram(s):
>
>The T-85/T-10 have a side cover. 
>
>
>        150-T   _____________________
>               |                     |____________________
>        _______| ------|  |-------|  |                    |_
>        |______  |     |  |       |  |                    |=
>               | |  O  |  |   O   |  |____________________|
>               | |_____|  |_______|  |
>               |_____________________|
>        
>        (not to scale. :))
>
>150-T top cover   ________
>                 |        |
>                /          \
>                |          |
>                |          |
>                |          |
>                |__________|
>
>All the others are rectangular, except maybe the SR-4.
>
>**********************************************************************
>INPUT & OUTPUT SHAFTS
>**********************************************************************
>
>Year    Trans   Input   Input   Input   Output
>                Shaft   Shaft   Shaft   Shaft
>                Length  Diam    Splines Splines
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>to 71   T-96    6.5"    15/16"  10      10      
>to 71   T-86                            10      
>to 71   T-85                            10
>to 71   T-89                            10
>to 71   T-14    6.5"    15/16"  10      10
>72-up   T-14    ??      15/16"  10      23
>        T-15    8"      1-1/8"  10      10
>All (?) T-10    8"                      10 (??)
>        150-T                           28 (??)
>        SR-4                            28 (??)
>        T4/T5                           28 (??)

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>The transmission is noisey in first and second but is quieter in 3rd.


They all were noisy in 1st to some extent.  Since it's been sitting, have you changed the gear oil?


>For some reason, years ago, I disconnected the two switch connectors at the 
>carburator linkage.  The Chilton manual shows that they are for the Kickdown 
>Switch.  I want to connect them to the same color coded wires at the switch.  
>But need to know if there is something I should be careful during the hook up.  
>The manual speaks about a governor and soleniod on the transmission.


If you can send me a fax number, I can copy the OD section from the 67 TSM, and perhaps the wiring diagram.

-- Marc Montoni
   http://richmondrambler.tripod.com/



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