> >>I'm saying, show me a factory showroom, FWD performance car. > > >>I don't think we will convince him that such a car exists. to which John Mahoney said: >I think we may: right now. > >http://tinyurl.com/ys4zuv Holy moley. 263 ponies and a six-speed in a hatchback econobox. I like it. Too bad the Saturns you linked in the same post don't have such options. FWIW, there is a 5.0 conversion kit for Ford Focus (Focii?) that converts those cars to sleeper RWD terrors. I've been thinking about getting a wagon with the conversion. But I guess that wouldn't qualify as a FWD performance car. John Mahoney also said: > >>A market, I might add, that AMC was never really able to capture. > >...but was able to benefit greatly from. When Chrysler acquired AMC-Jeep, >the Grand Wagoneer had the highest-income buyer demographic of -any- US >car. When the last one was built in 1991 (and titled as a 1992 model?), >Grand Wagoneer still claimed the -second- highest income level --- with >only the [then-brand-new] Buick Roadmaster Estate buyer earning more >American bucks. Really. No, not *that* market. I'm talking about the gangsta-lookalike rides. You know, the countless Navigators and Escalades tricked out with $4,000 wheels, more chrome added on than came on a 56 Buick, and such that you see with the mirrored windows and stereo vibrating the walls of the surrounding buildings. They are ubiquitous these days, much as Mercedes were fifteen years ago. Those guys plunk down $ 40 large for the biggest ride they can get and then add on another $10k to $20k in accessories. ACCESSORIES. I have a hard time parting with $100 for an NOS steering wheel for an Ambassador. However many of these huge SUV's Ford and GM are selling, they are making big money on each one sold. Yes, AMC did that with the GWaggies; but with AMC the windfall was from "old money". The Nav/Esc are selling to new money from a different clientele that AMC never reached. -- Marc _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list