Re: [Amc-list] U-ship report

[JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ralph,

I value your experience so am always glad to get your
input.  

I do usually use Fedex ground for my Ebay sales items.
 As I said in this case, the buyer evidently backed
out.  I sold one of the engines to a local (50 miles
north) young man you has a 72 Javelin.  He wasn't very
talkative, but he said that he does try to drive it to
work or school, I forget, a couple of days a week.  I
invited him to join the AMC list and sent him and
email but I have not seen him post yet.  Maybe he
joined and is lurking.  

I now know frieght rates can vary all over the map.  I
did check with the machine shop which has done work on
two of my engines in the past, and the owner said he
normally does not make the freight arrangements since
items are being shipped to him and not from his shop.

Take Care,
Joe
--- RetroRalph <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Yep, I'm not surprised.   I'd forget using the usual
> common motor freight 
> carriers and their $1000 costs for such.   And then
> you would be surprised 
> at what they would pay for if they accidently ruined
> the cargo or just lost 
> the engines for youi.  You'd be luck if they would
> even pay back the freight 
> charges.
> 
> The U-Ship places are probably the best option but
> each is on their own in 
> dealing with them.  I suppose they are less
> regulated by any bureacratic 
> organizations than the high priced carriers and that
> might even be good... 
> If you merely pay your money and take your chances,
> you might as well pay 
> less money for the same treatment, huh?
> 
> Of course, it would be best to handle the
> transportation personally when it 
> come to these heavier or oversized items.   
> Although an alternative for 
> this may even yet be going to air freight forwarders
> or carriers and request 
> deferred air freight service and deliver it to their
> receiving terminal and 
> specifying hold for pickup at destingation.  In the
> not too far past many 
> carriers charged around $50 per cwt or perhaps
> someting like $250 - $300 per 
> engine.  Sometimes less.   They can give your spot
> quotes for this. 
> Deferred air is where they can moves the cargo when
> is won't compete with 
> other freight for cargo space.  It may take 3-5 days
> to get the shipment to 
> it's destination terminal.  Likely this is faster
> than the trucking service 
> and more reliable.  You can confirm their cargo loss
> or damage liability 
> when you ship this and you can pay for additional
> valuation (a form of 
> insurance)
> coverage.  Generally,it is 70 cents to $100 per $100
> value.
> 
> On bulky articles via air you would likely be paying
> for the space occupied 
> rather than for the weight shipped.  They typically
> have a minimum weight of 
> 1 pound per ever 166 cubic inches or it may be 1
> pound per 192 cubic inches 
> for some carriers in domestic USA service.  This
> means that for a 35 pound 
> front fender you may had to pay for 150 -280 pounds
> or so depending on the 
> actual specific extreme measurements of the package.
> which is the longest length, and the widest width,
> and the deepest depth of 
> the package.
> 
> Not typically, for a favored shipper a trucking
> company would haul this at 
> their regular published class rates less a 75%
> discount (more or less 
> depending on how much they like your business) and
> then there is a fuel 
> surcharge they can charge due to the excessive cost
> of diesel fuel (Now 
> about 16%)  As an example, from Salinas, CA 93901 to
> Pittsburg, CA 15201 
> Using ABF Freight Truck rates the charge would be
> 900 lbs as 1000 at 131.32 
> per cwt for 1313.20 then discount 75% leaving 328.30
> then add 16% $52.53 for 
> $380.83 total charge.  To most TX points the rates
> would be somewhat less 
> (Dallas might be about $322 total).
> 
> So, if you happen to be intimate with a business
> organization that is a 
> regular shipper in your neighborhood and can use
> them as an "in" to good 
> cheap freight rates and service and get them to ship
> the engines for you and 
> you can merely reimburse them their charges for
> shipping and handling.  But 
> you have to know them pretty well for this sort of
> thing.
> 
> But so many different things can make a difference
> in this. Get the basics 
> covered here.  Get a handle on the weight, and
> service type needed, the 
> pickup and delivery locations and the zip codes,
> etc.  Delivery service 
> needed,  if lift gate trucks are needed or if can be
> picked up by the 
> consignee at destination.  Of course you must make
> sure you have clean 
> freight and acceptable packaging,  no leaks, no
> messy crap.  Some carriers 
> will be picky about things and other not so much... 
> Live and learn.  Best 
> make it so easy that they can't turn you down and
> don't demand delivery at 
> specified time, or call before delivery for special
> appointment.  The common 
> motor trucking carriers will try to charge you for
> all the extras they 
> can...  If you have the weight wrong and understate
> it they will simply 
> re-weigh and correct it and bill on the corrected
> basis and stick another 
> $20 charge on it.
> If you don't show the billing instructions on the
> bill of lading or if it 
> must be clarified or corrected or changed they will
> charge extra for that, 
> also.  Seems like anymore they act more like
> opportunists looking for 
> loopholes for the fast buck than an  a decent
> service tool for their shipper 
> customers.  But, sometime we do have to use them.
> 
> I'm sure that their are people around that aren't as
> critical with them as I 
> am.  I've probably just been around to long and
> remember how things used to 
> be in the trucking industry before modern management
> methods and total 
> deregulation and stuff.  You can thank Carter and
> Clinton administrations 
> for most of this for some reason.
> 
> Life is much simpler if you must only deal with the
> Parcel Carriers UPS or 
> FedEx Ground. (as opposed to FedEx Trucking).  FedEx
> Ground is generally the 
> most reasonable cost service.  Their services are
> generally restricted to 
> 150 pounds or less single parcels and the carges are
> generally per parcel.
> 
> Sorry so long with this.  Hope it helps or gives at
> least some people a 
> direction in this.
>
______________________________________________________________
> Ralph Ausmann  -  Hillsboro, OR - >
> <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check
> the links"
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "JOE FULTON" <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] U-ship report
> 
> 
> >A couple of weeks ago I requested information from
> the
> > list concerning shipping costs for two 304 engines
> > from CA to TX.
> >
> > Someone suggested that I post the shipment on
> > U-ship.com and solicit bids on the shipping costs.
> >
> > The buyer evidently backed out, so I won't be
> shippin
> > an engine, but I thought I would report the
> shipping
> > bids for general information.
> >
> > The shipment was proposed as two complete V8 long
> > blocks, drained, wrapped in plastic film and
> strapped
> > to two 4x4 pallets.  Estimated weight 450 pounds
> each.
> > I called conway trucking and the gal quoted about
> > $1050 for the two pallets.
> >
> > I called Fedex freight and UPS freight and they
> both
> > estimated $600 per pallet.
> >
> > I received two U-ship quotes, one for $218 per
> pallet
> > and the other for $204 per pallet.  I did not
> > recognize the names of these trucking companies
> and I
> > don't know where their terminals are, but the low
> > quotes did not include any extras like home
> pickup, or
> > lift gate equipped truck.
> >
> > Joe Fulton
> > Salinas, CA
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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