Use in the Americans is where I was thinking that the Wagners were only used a few years. I only have a few American TSMs, 58, 61, 62, 64, and 67. Will check them. I did find a note in the early TSMs that state the brakes are "Lockheed Hydraulic System", but the manufacturer was stated as Bendix or Wagner. Lockheed may have invented hydraulic brakes and licensed the technology until the patent ran out. I found the note in the 58 TSM for sure, can't recall if the other one I saw it in was 56 or 60. I know Lockheed made brakes, but AFAIK they just made railroad and heavy equipment/truck brakes -- hydraulic and air. -------------------------------------------- Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 05:13 PM From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx> Wagner drums were used on American's as well. I know 1966 and early 1967 used them. Besides Studebaker, they were also used by Volvo and International (maybe a couple of others as well). Also, I think that Wagner bought out Lockheed's (yes, the same Lockheed involved in areospace) brake operation. There were a lot of cars that used Lockheed hydraulic brakes but I'm not sure how different those systems are from what AMC was using. Wagner also is still in the OEM brake business but drums are a dying breed outside of big trucks. Matt farna@xxxxxxx wrote: > The bad news is that you have Wagner rear brakes. From 58-69 ALL Series 10 six cylinder cars used Wagner brakes, all others used Bendix. _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list