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Re; T5 or TKO (John Elle) 13. 68 Rebel Convertible Questions (John Eckersley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:33:03 -0500 From: markskur1@xxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] Ignition Wires? To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <8C906086A3C284C-5E4-5A71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need new wires for my 74 AMX. The originals are dried out. APD has "date-coded" wires for $79, and non-dated coded for $29. What are dated coded wires, and are they worth the extra $50? Thanks, mark ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:50:38 -0500 From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Hot Rod 390 To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <45AA0AFE.14787.4007E67@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Then here is the March 2004 HotRod 390 article: http://www.gremlinized.net/images/articles/hotrod390p1.jpg http://www.gremlinized.net/images/articles/hotrod390p2.jpg http://www.gremlinized.net/images/articles/hotrod390p3.jpg http://www.gremlinized.net/images/articles/hotrod390p4.jpg http://www.gremlinized.net/images/articles/hotrod390p5.jpg =Bt= milnersXcoupe "The Heretic" ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:17:37 -0500 From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Part wanted (319-6929) 1970-71 360 flywheel To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <053E34168692C4438533FE33E79C1A18439187@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have a 1970-71 360 manual flywheel for sale or know of any aftermarket source for one? AMC part #319-6929 ~John ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:54:26 -0700 From: "Dan Curtis" <d.curtis@xxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Arizona Republic AMC Adds To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <000901c73805$0b2d7970$0600a8c0@D14DCP61> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Lots of cars in the Arizona Republic during Barrett Jackson week. I know nothing about these cars other than what is stated below from the newspaper so please call the sellers for more information 1960 Rambler American, $1250 602-526-0714 1960 Rambler Wagon, $900 928-821-5050 1962 Rambler Classic 4 door 6cyl auto daily driver, $2000 623-551-0199 602-689- 3720 1968 Rambler Wagon 2 door, $3000 928-821-5050 1968 Rambler 2 door, $900 928-821-5050 ***** In case anyone has more money than they know what to do with: 1970 Plymouth Super Bird, lime green, 426 Hemi-4 spd 11,390 original miles orig. miles only $795,000 586-909-6518 ***** 1977 Matador nine passenger wagon, full power, air, very nice $6950 602-368-92323 1978 Pacer DL Wagon factory AC, original and complete 480-940-0840 Regards, Dan Curtis d.curtis@xxxxxxx 602-317-2018 No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (3.1.0.10 - 9.058.001). http://www.pctools.com/anti-virus/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:04:58 -0700 From: "Dan Curtis" <d.curtis@xxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] AMCs at Barret Jackson To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <004501c73806$80eacfe0$0600a8c0@D14DCP61> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original check it out: http://www.barrett-jackson.com/carlist/cardetails.asp?In_AuctionID=221&In_LotNumber=649 http://www.barrett-jackson.com/carlist/cardetails.asp?In_AuctionID=221&In_LotNumber=60 Regards, Dan Curtis d.curtis@xxxxxxx 602-317-2018 No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (3.1.0.10 - 9.058.001). http://www.pctools.com/anti-virus/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:18:05 -0600 From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ignition Wires? To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200701141218.06169.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The date coded wires are reproductions of the original wires used by AMC. Some people buy them for the "perfect" restoration. Unless this is your goal, save your money. Todd On Sunday 14 January 2007 09:33, markskur1@xxxxxxx wrote: > I need new wires for my 74 AMX. The originals are dried out. > APD has "date-coded" wires for $79, and non-dated coded for $29. > What are dated coded wires, and are they worth the extra $50? > Thanks, > mark > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:21:55 -0500 From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 3 bolt vs 4 bolt To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY116-F20CF1C2F82EA37C71960BEACB60@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have 2 complete sets of pulleys (to support AC) for a 4 bolt balancer. My '70 390 is a 3 bolt. Can a 4 bolt balancer be physically put in place of the 3 bolt balancer? If the physical mounting surface is the same, then that should work, balancing issues aside. The balancing could be dealt with during rebuild. Any other options? I have had no luck finding a 3 groove, 3 bolt lower pulley. From talking to different people, I'm not sure they made them. Was AC driven off another accessory, like the alternator or water pump, up through 1970? Thanks, Jim Boone Mims, FL _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:49:56 -0700 From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 3 bolt vs 4 bolt To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <000001c7381d$90865c00$e2dc0d82@john1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim Snip If the physical mounting surface is the same, then that should work, balancing issues aside. The balancing could be dealt with during rebuild. Any other options? I have had no luck finding a 3 groove, 3 bolt lower pulley. From talking to different people, I'm not sure they made them. Was AC driven off another accessory, like the alternator or water pump, up through 1970? Snip According to the '70 TSM the belt that drove the A/C was the same belt that also drove The power steering pump, or if not used, an idler was installed in the same location a power steering pump would be installed. Thus there were only two belts on the harmonic balancer pulleys, thus needing only two pulleys. There is also an idler installed on the back side of the belt between the harmonic balancer pulleys and the A/C compressor. Your need now would depend on where the A/C compressor you want to install lines up on the crank shaft. If it came from a later car/application you may need the 3rd pulley. If so I think there is no problem in doing a 390 vs 401 harmonic balancer, but would have check on that as I do not know when 4 bolt harmonic balancers were first used and if they are balanced correctly for a 390 John ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:15 -0800 From: "Larry R. Daum" <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 bolt vs 4 bolt To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Jim Boone <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070114144537.02b57030@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed [AMC-List] Date: Sunday, January 14, 2007 01:21 PM From: Jim Boone <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx> Attachments: <http://www.amxfiles.com/archive/attachments/114253/1518>1518 (184 bytes) I have 2 complete sets of pulleys (to support AC) for a 4 bolt balancer. My '70 390 is a 3 bolt. Can a 4 bolt balancer be physically put in place of the 3 bolt balancer? If the physical mounting surface is the same, then that should work, balancing issues aside. The balancing could be dealt with during rebuild. Any other options? I have had no luck finding a 3 groove, 3 bolt lower pulley. From talking to different people, I'm not sure they made them. Was AC driven off another accessory, like the alternator or water pump, up through 1970? Thanks, Jim Boone Jim, Etal; on the AMC-list Doug Noel at American Parts Deport has new 3 and 4 bolt balancers. I just bought one off Doug in September. The price is not too bad. Check out Doug on-line catalog at : http:\\www.americanpartsdeport.com . But beware you need a high speed connection the catalog is big even just for that section. If the price is too high for you an outfit called "Damper Doctor" does rebuilds for about $5 or $10 more then Doug's new ones. When you building an engine the part you try and go cheap on , is the one that comes around and bites you. I'm building a 69 -390 V-8 for my 1969 AMX and doing a write up on the engine rebuild along with the redo of the entire car for the NAMDRA newsletter. thanks , Larry R. Daum ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] t5 or tko To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <365509.19191.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 does anyone know much about the tko 500 transmissions? will they bolt up to a t5 bellhousing? the bolt pattern LOOKS close but i would guess they are different. is it heavier than a t5? alot of t5's have had a rough life. mustangs, cameros, ect. would be going behind a 304 in my 62 classic. i know the tko will handle a lot more tourqe. what about the trans tunnel. what one would probably fit better? i know with the tko i can move the shifter up where i want it to keep my bench seat. questionable with the t5. would spend not alot more for a well rebuilt t5 than a tko. dave stohler ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:23:55 -0800 From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t5 or tko To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <23554198.1168827835564.JavaMail.root@web33> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 TKO is stronger taller and bigger. The few that have gone into javelins required floor surgery, big time. You can use the front shifter location wiht an aftermarket kit. T5 can be built to handle 330ftlb for $1000.00 or less if you do it yourself. To get the shifter forward you need to use an S10 tailhousing. Do some online searchs about both these trans as behind a 304 it really is going to be a personal choice. the T-5 trans built to 330 ftlb spec will hold up fine. The bolt pattern on the TKO is Ford toploader IIRC, not T-5. -- Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > does anyone know much about the tko 500 transmissions? > will they bolt up to a t5 bellhousing? the bolt > pattern LOOKS close but i would guess they are > different. is it heavier than a t5? alot of t5's have > had a rough life. mustangs, cameros, ect. would be > going behind a 304 in my 62 classic. i know the tko > will handle a lot more tourqe. what about the trans > tunnel. what one would probably fit better? i know > with the tko i can move the shifter up where i want it > to keep my bench seat. questionable with the t5. would > spend not alot more for a well rebuilt t5 than a tko. > > dave stohler > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:35:51 -0700 From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Re; T5 or TKO To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <000501c7384d$e3e213f0$e2dc0d82@john1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan Snip does anyone know much about the tko 500 transmissions? will they bolt up to a t5 bellhousing? the bolt pattern LOOKS close but i would guess they are different Snip I am not sure but willing to take an educated guess that a Mustang application TKO-500 transmission will go on your 304 using a t-150 bell housing. That is basically what a Mustang application Tremec transmission needs to go on to an AMC V8. The difference to an AMC guy is that a Mustang Application T5 will go on your 304 by using a SR4, T4 or T5 application AMC bell housing. Multi-bells seem to have this application plus others too. The other applications of a multi- bell are T-96 and T-14. Fit would be a crapp shoot but solvable, cost comparisons would largely depend on where you got the transmissions from in the first place. There are a lot of T5's that have not been beat up, the one that I have in my Javelin behind a 390 has been there for over 10 years and came from a 100,000 mile 2 owner wrecked Mustang that had been slid into a telephone pole. I drove the car before I pulled the transmission. Also T5's can be rebuilt to handle more torque for not a whole lot of money and give better 1st & 2nd ratios to boot. I am beginning to look for another t5 to put in my 360 Hornet. I figure to get a good used (Mustang application) T5 for $500.00 or less. I don't know if any of this is any help to you, but the way I figure it, you pays your money and you take your chances. John. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:48:45 +0000 From: John Eckersley <john.eckersley@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 68 Rebel Convertible Questions To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <45AB5C0D.4060608@xxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Pretty new to AMC, but not to old cars. I recently bought a 68 Rebel convertible. We were blessed with fine weather at the weekend so I took it out for a drive. I have a couple of faults/niggles and if anyone on here has advice/experience, I'd be glad to hear it: The Speedo needle dances around all over the place - at about 60 MPH it is flicking wildly between 15 and 90. The odometer works fine (at least it turns round and I reckon the numbers are about right for the miles I covered). Logic suggests to me it's the speedo head at fault but my ex-wife's logic always seemed somehow different..... BTW I have bought a little gizmo that measures speed very accurately using GPS signals - but I need to repair the "proper" speedo. The other thing is a sort of shimmy that shakes the whole car as I pass through about 40mph. It seems to be coming from the front end. If anyone's experienced this I'd be glad to hear about it..... Thanks John E ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 ****************************************