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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Need a rebuildable amc 401 (Jim Boone)
   2. Re: 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv (Jim Boone)
   3. Mobil Oil Economy Run -- 1964 (Tom Jennings)
   4. Re: Mobil Oil Economy Run -- 1964 (amckiwi)
   5. Re: Flashback - Bungs and boring. (Matt Haas)
   6. Re: Mobil Oil Economy Run (John Elle)
   7. AMC Ram Air Molding Repair (JOE FULTON)
   8. Re; AMC Ram Air Molding Repair (John Elle)
   9. fee-bay 15 cent listing wed 12-27 (Eddie Stakes)
  10. Re: Mobil Economy Run - 1964 (Mr. AMC)
  11. Parts WANTED!!! (William Renshaw)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:56:57 -0500
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Need a rebuildable amc 401
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>From: "Rick Hartman" <ricnmatt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [AMC-List] Need a rebuildable amc 401

>  Anyone know where I can find a AMC 401 to rebuild? I want one for a 73 
>Gremlin X.
>
Make that two!

Jim Boone
Mims, FL

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:04:10 -0500
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv
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>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv

>
>I ran a home made 2x1 intake for the 196 (there are no 3x1 intakes). <snip>

A home made intake for these engines wouldn't be all that hard to make; I 
have a side-draft Weber that came off my brother's performance-reworked MGB. 
  That car is long gone, but I had thought of making a manifold out of 
stainless or easier to work aluminum and setting it up.  Would be unique!

A 3 x 1 bbl setup would be good to use as well, and would solve the cylinder 
fuel distribution problems inherint with a long six.  The original Holley's 
wouldn't be hard to come up with, and would be easy to work with IMO.

Jim Boone
Mims, FL

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:51:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mobil Oil Economy Run -- 1964
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hope you all had a good Excessmas!


Nice mention of Rambler's success in the 1964 Mobil Oil Economy
Run -- New York Times auto section, today. The writer was the
driver of the 64 Valiant, which came in 3rd in his class, B.

It's pretty notable:

"... Our competition included a Rambler American 440 6-cylinder
driven by Les Viland, an American Motors engineer with several
economy run victories under his belt; a Chevy II 100 6-cylinder;
a Dodge Dart 170 V-8; a Chevy II Nova V-8; and a Ford Falcon
V-8. Class results were tight except for the Rambler, which
averaged 27.8336 m.p.g. and ended up with the best mileage
in the entire 1964 economy run. The Chevy II 6 was second,
at 23.2182, and my Valiant V-8 finished third, at 23.0851."

Hmm, that probably doesn't get the muscle car people all hot
and bothered, but it's very Rambler!

The description of the run was pretty interesting itself. I
wonder if you could get the U.S. culturally interested again in
cross-country events again; some sort of constraint (mileage;
Mobil Econo Run, time; Gumball Rally). It's at once very old
fashioned and made for reality-TV. It would have to involve
"ordinary" cars, otherwise it would turn into a manufacturers
marketing pissing contest. Boring; today anything goes 100mph,
and makin 300HP is routine, what's the big deal?



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:17:26 +1100
From: "amckiwi" <amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mobil Oil Economy Run -- 1964
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000001c7292a$de28a780$0200a8c0@tower>
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They also did economy runs here in Australia I have a poster for the 1964
version

Stu

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Hope you all had a good Excessmas!


Nice mention of Rambler's success in the 1964 Mobil Oil Economy
Run -- New York Times auto section, today. The writer was the
driver of the 64 Valiant, which came in 3rd in his class, B.

It's pretty notable:

"... Our competition included a Rambler American 440 6-cylinder
driven by Les Viland, an American Motors engineer with several
economy run victories under his belt; a Chevy II 100 6-cylinder;
a Dodge Dart 170 V-8; a Chevy II Nova V-8; and a Ford Falcon
V-8. Class results were tight except for the Rambler, which
averaged 27.8336 m.p.g. and ended up with the best mileage
in the entire 1964 economy run. The Chevy II 6 was second,
at 23.2182, and my Valiant V-8 finished third, at 23.0851."

Hmm, that probably doesn't get the muscle car people all hot
and bothered, but it's very Rambler!

The description of the run was pretty interesting itself. I
wonder if you could get the U.S. culturally interested again in
cross-country events again; some sort of constraint (mileage;
Mobil Econo Run, time; Gumball Rally). It's at once very old
fashioned and made for reality-TV. It would have to involve
"ordinary" cars, otherwise it would turn into a manufacturers
marketing pissing contest. Boring; today anything goes 100mph,
and makin 300HP is routine, what's the big deal?

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:42:09 -0500
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Flashback - Bungs and boring.
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<snip>
> the O2 sensor is 'Original' ......with 174K miles on it -
> outdoors & up on a floor jack, we ran the engine after
> disconnecting the sensor pigtail - not much difference -
> the ECm hunted but overall that O2 sensor was shot -
> and frozen...
> 
> Terry builds custom Homes & holds a Masters in Geology -
> his idea of a relaxing weekend is in mountain caves, hauling bags
> of equipment on a rope  -
> 
> took him 15 min. to m'oose' out the O2 sensor - and the threads
> ..........were gone right down to the barrel.> Nightfall .
<snip>

O2 sensor sockets are worth every penny (I bought a Snap-On so it was 
lots of pennies but it's also the perfect size for thermal vacuum 
switches). My 96 Ram was but 8 when I replaced the factory sensors. I 
couldn't budge either one with box wrenches but both came right out with 
the right tool. Also, it helps to run the vehicle for a few minutes so 
the pipes are warm. Also make sure that you put anti-seize on the 
threads of the O2 sensor.

BTW, one wire sensors are usually good for about 50,000 miles and three 
and four wire senors are usually good for about 100,000 and should be 
replaced around those mileages. They usually get lazy when they fail and 
that doesn't usually trigger a "Check Engine" light (if they fail with a 
dead short or an open, that will trigger it). If you have a problem that 
makes the engine run really rich, you should also replace the O2 
sensor(s) after the problem is fixed. They will get clogged with soot 
and mess up the air/fuel ratio.

Also, on the surge issue, make sure the manifold and throttle body to 
manifold bolts are tight. My 68 American ran like you describe at one 
point but was only noticeable when hot. It turned out a few bolts 
decided they'd rather occupy the side of the road instead of the engine 
compartment. I replaced all the hardware, thread chased the head, and 
replaced the manifold gaskets. Problem solved.

Since it ran really rich, you may also have plugged passages in the 
throttle body and heavily carboned intake valves (rough running) and 
piston tops (pinging). GM Top Engine cleaner will do a great job with 
everything past the throttle body but you may want to drop the exhaust 
before the catalytic converter so it doesn't get plugged up with soot. 
The throttle body should be disassembled and cleaned but you should try 
and find the factory procedure for doing this. Some designs use plastic 
or rubber bushings and seals that will be damaged by soaking in 
carburetor cleaning. The factory procedures will warn you of these 
potential problem areas. Cleaning the throttle body is also something 
that needs to be done routinely on non-TBI fuel injection systems. This 
is usually something that needs done between 50,000 and 75,000 miles.

Here's a tip for o-rings (and other fun parts like grommets): Try 
soaking them in hot water for a few minutes before installing them (do 
not do this with A/C systems). They will usually soften up pretty well.

Matt
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:18:34 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mobil Oil Economy Run
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000001c72933$6b308000$dcdc0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I once read a driving technique that allowed you to get phenomenal
gasoline mileage for the purpose of winning economy runs that stuck with
me as many times useless trivia does. 
Keep the right foot plastered onto the floor. 
Leave the transmission (3 speed of course) in high. 
Once the car was moving you simply depressed the clutch and turn off the
engine. Allowed it to slow as slow as you can go. At some point in time,
turn on the ignition and pop the clutch and allow it to accelerate to
some value as determined by need and turn off the ignition and depress
the clutch again. 
Of course this would do nothing to make the trip fun, probably really
irk the other drivers on the freeway or side road or whatever and be
really hard on the clutch. But who cares! You got phenomenal fuel
mileage. 
Of course the lack of doing that is probably the reason my Town and
Country gets 14 mpg under certain conditions which is almost as good as
the mileage it gets out of transmissions. 
John. 


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:42:15 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Ram Air Molding Repair
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I have an extra Ram Air chrome molding (fits a 70 AMX
and Javelin) and I put it on Ebay this past week.  It
brought about $58 at auction but I refunded the
buyer's money today because two of the mounting pin
tips are broken.  The bases of these pins are in place
(about 3/8 of an inch long) but the tips are gone.

Has anyone repaired these?  Could you weld/braze them
with a little jeweler's torch?

Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:51:46 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; AMC Ram Air Molding Repair
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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While this may not be considered Cricket in some circles, when all of
the mounting tits on my OEM ram air molding deteriorated and broke off
leaving the pieces loose to fall on the ground or blow off in the wind
which both did, I retrieved them and glued them back on to the hood
using clear RTV with the idea that eventually I would buy replacement
pieces and fix it correctly. 
Well it has been close to 8 years and I have not had a problem yet so
using the old adage, if it ain't broke don't fix it! I have not gotten
back to taking care of it correctly yet. 
Maybe some day. 
John. 


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:14:09 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] fee-bay 15 cent listing wed 12-27
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Instead of regifting those NOS and used AMC parts, dump them on ebay Wed for 
15 cents a listing, not bad deal. Some stuff that might cost you $3-$5 to 
list is only 15 cents. Hope everyone had a good Christmas. Click on the link 
here to find out more about the special; thanks to a few fellow aMC fans for 
sending this my way.
http://pages.ebay.com/promo/holiday06/?ssPageName=CMDV:AB
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:11:04 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mobil Economy Run - 1964
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The procedures you guy's talked about in the 64 Mobile economy run
brought to mind somthing my father said many years ago. In 1947 him and
a friend bought a book on how to get 30 or 40 miles to the gallon. I
can't remember if it was 30 or 40 since this conversation with me him
and his friend and me was back in the early 60's. 
"Doc"



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:52:40 -0800
From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Parts WANTED!!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I am in need of a pair of headlight buckets for a 74-75 AMC Gremlin. I have 
a pair of N.O.S. and they are true N.O.S. (still in there original bags!) 
headlight buckets for I believe to be the 76 Gremlin. They have the larger 
side marker light. I will trade anyone with anyone who may have the right 
year that I am looking for, but they must have N.O.S. parts as well. I paid 
out my #$$ for these off of FEEBAY, and I got the wrong year for my Gremmy. 
:{   So, if anyone who maybe interested in these headlight buckets, please 
email me and if pictures are needed I have them also. I will purchase a good 
set used if I have to, but they have to be the right year and they must be 
in really-really good shape. I am tired of cracked and busted up stuff and 
trying to restore 30 + year old plastic......Lets just put it this way.....I 
have glued my last piece of plastic and my fingers for the last time. I have 
even checked with my local old AMC dealership that I get some N.O.S. parts 
from, from time to time, and he cant find anything either. I know that what 
I am looking for maybe out there somewheres or it may not be at all.
Thanks in advance!!



Bill Renshaw Lewiston Idaho

As always....Keep on a Ramblin'!!
1973 Gremlin X "clone" (project)
1970 Original Hornet "plain jane"




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