AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 57
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: T'was the AMC day before XRmas... (Jay)
2. A Happy And Safe Holiday To All (Mr. AMC)
3. Need a rebuildable amc 401 (Rick Hartman)
4. Re: 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv (farna@xxxxxxx)
5. Flashback - Bungs and boring. (Brien Tourville)
6. THEFT - off the strokers list - (Brien Tourville)
7. Free copy of new AMC Magazine! (farna@xxxxxxx)
8. Merry Christmas (John Elle)
9. 1968 AMC Rebel Dash Replacement (fwd) (Tom Jennings)
10. Merry Christmas (Nick ALFANO)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 07:22:34 -0500
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T'was the AMC day before XRmas...
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Good one Jerry. Merry Christmas to all oiut there
Jay in FL.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:01:20 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] A Happy And Safe Holiday To All
To: amcman@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
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I have good friends of many ethnic back grounds and religions and
whatever I wish all a happy holiday and a safe new year and a
prosperious and healthy 2007.
"Doc"
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 07:43:00 -0600
From: "Rick Hartman" <ricnmatt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Need a rebuildable amc 401
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Anyone know where I can find a AMC 401 to rebuild? I want one for a 73 Gremlin X.
Thanks Rick
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:44:19 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
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I ran a home made 2x1 intake for the 196 (there are no 3x1 intakes). I used a pair of Carter YFs instead of the smaller Holley 1909s the Offenhauser intake was intended for. It worked fine -- just make sure the jets are the same size!! I missed a number on the rear carb main jet. It was off by a couple numbers (front was a #x6, back was #x8 -- easy to miss with the small numbers -- use a magnifying glass the FIRST time!!). Ran fine for 3-4 months, then burned a hole in the rear piston. That's when i discovered my mistake!
I drilled a piece of 1/2" thick aluminum for the intake plate. I put the carb holes so that 1/3 of the diameter was in front of the forward edge of the siamesed intake port for #2-3 and #4-5 (to the rear of the last two). Mixture wasn't a problem except for the jet sizing. Ran it for a little over a year after replacing the piston and jet.
The only problem I had was there is no more power than the factory WCD 2V carb. I had a slightly better cam (cammed for better mid range -- 20* more duration, 0.10" more lift) and an open exhaust and air filter (I opened up the snorkel on the stock one -- used a 4" diameter can for a snorkel, that made a noticeable difference nad looked stock!). Not much more you can do with the small bore/long stroke six. That did pep it up in the mid range though -- had good cruising and even a little passing power. Didn't come in until you hit about 45 mph though, under that there was no noticeable difference. It just takes a bit of time to get the long stroker up to speed. Slightly larger valves might help, but it wouldn't be long before the intake tract would be the problem. I just don't think the machine work for larger valves would be worth while.
A 290 can be "force fit" in there, but it's a lot of work. There's going to be some cutting involved under the hood no matter what. The "humps" on the inner fender panels need to come off. The get an idea of where to cut, look at a TSM (or under the whel well). It shows the inner and outer panels. The humps can be cut off just above the upper suspension mounting point to match the outer panels then patched back in. You will need to run the log manifolds, and may want to reverse them so that the exhaust exits near the front of the engine, at least use a right side manifold on the left (I'm pretty sure the AMC manifolds will reverse like a Chevy). I've seen that done with an SBC installation. Clears the steering much nicer. You'll need a good electronic ignition (TFI upgrade, not standard Duraspark) and platinum plugs. Plugs will be hard to get to! I don't recall on an AMC install, but that same SBC install had access holes cut through the fender wells. Taking a tire off and u!
sing a
long extension was easier than taking the motor most of the way out (according to the owner). The holes were only 2" diameter and accurately placed.
For the engine mount use a universal hot-rod mount for an SBC. This can be bolted to the original rails (width between is 27", inside measurement). The pads can be drilled for AMC mounts. You'll need small AMC plates for the side of the engine (Galvin's has repops). You'll need to make a trans crossmember that mounts further back on the tranny. IIRC the engine has to be mounted a little forward of centered to clear the heater and front suspension mounts. That's not a problem -- the 196 weighs as much as a 290 (or SBC). That means you don't need to worry with the suspension either. Even the stock radiator is big enough to cool a stock small V-8.
Those things are sprung soft -- you'll want front springs that are the same installed height with a 15% stiffer rate (~110# per inch). That will do more to decrease body roll than a 7/8" sway bar. The high spring makes the body resistant to roll. I didn't notice a sway bar except on high speed hard turns on my American or Classic (both 63s). The stiffer springs are noticeable at all speeds and don't stiffen the ride much. We have much better rodas now than back then!
If you just want a little more power and parts availability, this is the one instance where a "foreign" engine is the best choice. Only one other in-line six or four (the intakes sticks out to far!) easily fits the 50-55 Nash Rambler/58-63 Rambler American -- the Ford 200/250 I-6 or an early model 2300 I-4. These have the intakes close to the head so the engine isn't very wide. The 2300 intake just fits, though you may want to take the left side "hump" off the fenderwell. I assisted with installing an early Pinto 2300 in a 55 Nash Rambler. The intake just cleared the hump, but the hump is a different, less prominent shape in the 50-55 models. The 200/250 intake is made onto the head like the 196, except all cast iron so you can't change carbs without machine work (also the 144 and 170, but why go smaller?). The late model 250 is a tall deck 200 and uses the SBF bell pattern, as do late model 200s (earlier ones use the samll Ford six pattern). So you need to get the trans wit!
h the e
ngine. The T-14 will, however, fit the early Ford six bell -- Falcons used the T-96 in the early 60s. I think the 200 changed bell patterns when the 250 came out, not positive. You can find info at http://www.fordsix.com/.
The later AMC six is just to long to fit the early American engine bay. I've heard of one. The fellow removed the heater and recessed the engine into that space. That's the only way to gain the 3-4" needed. The Ford six can be installed with minimal work -- the aforementioned universal hot-rod SBC engine mount can be modified to fit. No other modifications should be necessary.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
-------------- Original message ----------------------
> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:22:49 -0500
> From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I have been watching Ebay for a long time to find a dual 1bbl carb setup for
> a 196ohv engine. At the same time I am considering putting in a 290 that
> I've found in my '63 american convertible. I am a pretty good fabricator, so
> I can make the intake. However, I am concerned about starving #3 and 4
> pistons. Also, if anyone has some advice on shoe horning a 290 into a '63
> breadbox, I would greatly appreciate it. Oh yeah, I fogot about the T14
> trans that I got on Ebay. It looks like a direct swap, pilot end appears to
> be longer than the T96 od thats in it. I have not taken it back out to
> compare the two yet, as the garage gets awful cold up here in northern
> Michigan this time of year. THANK YOU all, redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:51:44 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Flashback - Bungs and boring.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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spent the two days before Christmas at
friend Terry & Liz's home in the Town of
Newburgh, where my Kammback & GTO
are stashed:
my '89 Cherokee was on it's
last legs - surging at idle - dumping raw fuel all over
the exhaust manifold from #3 injector body - which
negated using my newly resuscitated interior HEAT -
seal leaking - mileage measured in
tens of dollars........
we'd a Haynes manual for the Cherokee Terry'd
picked up at Parts America - not one 'Spec' could
be found on any page - O2 sensors shown with
the Universal single wire - no sizing of anything -
forget finding a plug gap.
gonna' relocate that manual right next to the dumper
in the washroom where it can apply said collective
expertise -;) :- ...... ....... ........
the O2 sensor is 'Original' ......with 174K miles on it -
outdoors & up on a floor jack, we ran the engine after
disconnecting the sensor pigtail - not much difference -
the ECm hunted but overall that O2 sensor was shot -
and frozen...
Terry builds custom Homes & holds a Masters in Geology -
his idea of a relaxing weekend is in mountain caves, hauling bags
of equipment on a rope -
took him 15 min. to m'oose' out the O2 sensor - and the threads
..........were gone right down to the barrel.> Nightfall .
Christmas Eve day we hit car friends - Sears and every auto parts
store in the
region numerous times collecting parts & looking for a Tap & Die
set for that then unknown size O2 sensor.
after thawing my brain over a java - I commandeered Liz's Dell & ran
a search on STROKERS at yahoogroups:
came up in one odd post on using a generic Chevy O2 sensor and making
bungs to fit: "the 18mm FORD spark plug size O2 sensor..." >
[GM is crucial with AMC in some peoples' minds...]
I'd seen an 18mm thread chaser in a Parts store we'd been at
the day before > now
on our 6th run for the morning - > Terry reconned the FORD F-150 to
the > coffee & 'organic' cigarettes store for bolstering supplies.
the Parts store counter girl was pretty sharp, chewed chaw tobacco
from a tin - her younger manager fresh out
of high school knew his store and JEEPs cold, he ....gets a Gold
Star.
getting at that O2 sensor orifice is NOT a fun job - on a rocky dirt
drive - floor jacked & a slab of plywood that didn't stay in place -
wind chill was single digit - and blowing the sun out of the sky -
Hudson River Valley style.
getting a thread chaser started where there are no threads - there
are no words......but Terry chose: "...this Whore..."...
chaser went in - about 3 threads worth - AMC for '89 placed that
bung on the exhaust manifold - not the header pipe - point being :
it would cost more than my Cherokee is worth for a shop to pull
the manifolds for a heli-coil....... easier to find a Cheep Cherokee
& swap out the tires than split the manifold with the hardened
chaser.
should that O2 sensor blow out - I figured it'll hit whoever is
passing me just above their pelvis - as my engine compartment
ignites.....
Mark Price sent me a set of injectors he'd swapped out for a
freebie new set - these came with roughly 84K miles on them -
some 90K miles less than what I was running - THANK YOU MARK !
how cold was it ? the new injector seals were splitting when
installing - had to salvage some of the 2 month old seals off the
outgoing injector rack - and apply dishwashing liquid to grease
them into the injector rail cups & manifold seats .
fired her up - > ran much better - still rich at an unusual idle -
and #1 injector body had some w'eepage' just below the plastic
ceramic top - not a lot - but noticeable .
another coffee run & the weepage seems to have ceased for
the time being - she's A1-A.
the distributor cap & rotor & wires were next - yeah baby ......
Terry spun the head off the cap bolt - leaving a rusty shaft.
the rotor had rust on it - the cap contacts had hard white oxidation
stuff
covering them, with a single black dot in the centres......
machinists wire'd the one side of the cap down - thank you
Rube Goldberg.
another coffee run - and a $20 for the tank:
Cherokee making nice power in a much crisper fashion -
idle still sucks:
above 1K rpm - the engine is fine.
below at idle, it drops to near stall - surges - stabilizes
then falls again....... and runs rich.
we hunted all vacuum lines - they seem fine, no splits
or rot - ..... every so often, I get a 'hard pedal' for the brakes
which might be the master cylinder vacuum taking a hike -
but overall - a two day X-mass Eve I'talien Army field service' -
time well spent........
my thanks go out to Terry - Mark Price and his meretriciously
packaged 6 injectors - a Tobacco chewing counter girl -
her way sharp store Manager - Erve Hamilton for searching
his barn in freezing evening weather for a Tap & Die set -
American Spirit Organic Lights smokey treats - and the
Mobil Convienient Store coffee supplier - Liz for her
great Lasagna dinner amongst Christmas Trimmings that
brought back early memories and a smile.
For laughs, I thank 'Paulie' - Terry's African Grey bird,
who correctly imitates doors squeeking, handles turning,
phones ringing, answering machines, and Terry's smokers
cough & early morning nasal congestion > I nearly fell
off the couch laughing........
for sneers, ...... the mouse currently inhabiting my Kammback.
NEXT week, that sucker better be on a flight to West Palm
before I hit town ;)
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:57:43 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] THEFT - off the strokers list -
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3a.
Theft
Posted by: "rljsrubicon" rljsrubicon@xxxxxxxxx ? rljsrubicon
Sun Dec?24,?2006 5:27?pm (PST)
Folks... Something that you may want to consider when using news
groups.
The professional thieves are very sophisticated these days and target
high demand vehicles.
They have "shopping lists" of whats wanted and are active on the news
groups.
When they locate a target vehicle on a news group they will place an
order with your local car thief and he'll then search you out.
Your local county court clerk's office knows everything about you and
lots of people have access to that information.
They know where you live and work and where you park your Jeep. It
only takes minutes for a professional to steal your beloved Jeep and
they will do just that.
When my 03 was stolen, the local police department knew exactly who
stole the Jeep and where it went, prior to being shipped out. They
even told me how these people found me and took the Jeep.
Unfortunately, that did nothing for me and the Rubicon is gone. Be
very careful with the information that you reveal. Just
something to consider... Ron
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:22:54 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Free copy of new AMC Magazine!
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
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<122520061622.5259.458FFADE000AFC920000148B21603760210E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
I have a good list of people who took me up on the offer! I'm extending the offer to all who send an e-mail by 30 DEC. For those who replied already, I'll send out this week.
If you haven't read about this before, the offer is for one free issue of "American Motors Cars" (the first issue). I renamed AIM to AMC to make the subject matter of the magazine more obvious. If you'd like a free PDF file copy just send me an e-mail requesting it by 30 DEC. In addition, if you decide to subscribe you can take a $2 discount (new subscribers only). The regular price for a printed subscription (black and white) is $22 per year, PDF file (sent e-mail, in full color) is $18. Four issues are printed each year. One will be sent sometime in December, March, June, and September. Publication schedule is subject to change without notice, but you will receive four issues for every paid subscription, and I like to let readers know in advance if there will be a change (when possible).
Hope all you guys are having a great Christmas!!
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:51:54 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Merry Christmas
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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To Frank and all of the men and women serving our country.
To those of you who came home safe, welcome home and Merry Christmas.
To those of you who have yet to come home, come home safely and Merry
Christmas
John
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:50:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1968 AMC Rebel Dash Replacement (fwd)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:21:47 EST
From: PSchambs@xxxxxxx
To: amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: 1968 AMC Rebel Dash Replacement
Earlier this year I had ordered a new repro dash from "Just-Dashes" in
California. It took 14 weeks - and the hassle of me sending to them my old
decrepit original dash;but they sent back a spectacular new dash - perfect in
matching my new interior and fit like a glove!
As with most things in life - it was not a cheap move. $1,680.00 obtained
perfection. So now I'm broke but happy!
Peter
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:36:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Merry Christmas
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <898456.95644.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. Although
the 17" of snow we got earlier this month has all
melted, this year still reminded me of when I was a
kid. The kids playing with their cousins and sharing
Santa stories was reminiscent of simpler times.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends.
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