Nice summation of the wacky tranny stuff John! The state-of-tune of engines has obviously changed wildly. People thought nothing of putting a car in far-too-high gear and just let it lug-lug-lug up to speed. My father drove everything from VW Beetle to V8 Chevy van that way. If performance isn't a concern, gas is dirt cheap, and no one sniffs tailpipes, it's a pleasant way to operate a car. Shifting requires two or three operable brain cells, a tiny bit of attention, and some care for how the engine works. Clearly, there's been a mad rush away from needing those things for some time! As I was poking through the 62 American TSM, I happened on the igntion timing specs for the flathead and ovehead six: flathead: 7 degrees total advance @2000 overhead: 12 degrees total advance @2100 Sure, lug that thing all day! With 7:1 compression it will never ping. 1200 - 1800 rpm, full highway load? Why not! Just can't be in a hurry, is all... With old two-speed transmissions, this sort of tuning would be necessary. With a closed-loop computer-driven car with an equally smart 8-speed transmission there's no comparison possible, but as good as that stuff is I really like having my hands, butt and ears attached to the old stuff. _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com