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Today's Topics:

   1. AMC INK (JOE FULTON)
   2. Re: Re; Carb rebuild help (Ken Ames)
   3. 258 engine balance and flexplate (Marty Bricker)
   4. Re: gauge decals (Steven Fox)
   5. Re: fuel return (Ken Ames)
   6. Re: (no subject) (Tom Jennings)
   7. Re: 258 engine balance and flexplate (Tom Jennings)
   8. 401X Race Block: "If she were MY daughter..." (Brien Tourville)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:24:53 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC INK
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Hot Rod magazine has an archive issue out (dated Fall
2006 I think) which is basically a venue for
publishing photos from the Hot Rod archives.  Near the
back of the magazine AMC cars are pictured.  Some of
the pics appear to be publicity shots from AMC
literature.  There is one picture taken by Terry Cook
in Detroit in 1969 which shows a number of white AMXs
in a huge warehouse or factory.  The caption indicates
that these cars might be a batch sent to Hurst to be
treated to the SS/AMX conversion.  Interesting photo
but is is small.

Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:38:15 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re; Carb rebuild help
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Thats what happened to my 80 X.

Ken


Quoting John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>:

>  
> Ken and all
> I wonder if-----
> For some mysterious reason the return fuel line has become
> disconnected and thus not used. The fuel filter would then 
> have a single tit on each side rather than a single input
> tit and 2 output tits. 
> If the fuel return line was not be used anymore than it would 
> make sense that the carburetor would flood. Fuel pumps used 
> with AMC cars with a fuel return line have a higher volume 
> flow and are not designed to cavitate when the carburetor 
> float shuts off the float chamber needle valve and has been
> known to flood out the carburetor. 
>  
>  
> Snip
> I would check the fuel pressure before you do anything else.
>  
> Yeah, that wouldn't hurt -- a perfect carb will do all those
> bad thins if the fuel pressure si too high.
>  
> But if it is a stock pump that's unlikely; the internal spring
> determines pressure, and they get weaker with age, not stronger!
>  
>  
>  
>  Ken Siroonian wrote:
>  thanks tom and froank for your comments, i bought another carb kit and
>  will give it another go. I thought I cleaned the last one very well,
>  just can not figure why it overloads with gas. The fuel pump is the
>  original with the car, 
> Snip
>  
> John
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:58:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Marty Bricker <mbrickerusn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 258 engine balance and flexplate
To: northtexasamc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I had the transmission of my daughters 83 Spirit (258,
auto) rebuilt in Aug 05.  In Jul 06 it had to be
rebuilt again (under warranty).  It failed again a
week ago with less than 7K since the initial rebuild. 
THe tranny guy is trying to blame it on a bad flexpate
(even though he can't detect any warpage.  A new one
is $120. plus he's charging me another $297. for the
rebuild kit and telling me he's doing me a great favor
cause the warranty (1 yr, 12K) has expired.  I called
the local machine shop and they said if the engine is
internally balanced they can check the flex plate but
if it's externally balanced they can't.  I plan on
having the old flex plate checked (if possible) and,
if it's ok I will be doing what it takes to get my
money for the rebuild refunded.  The guy at the
machine shop seemed very skeptical that the flex plate
on an auto would cause the tranny to go.  Comments? 
Is the 258 internally or externally balanced?  Thanks.
Marty


 
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:07:52 -0800
From: "Steven Fox" <bikerfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] gauge decals
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I'm also interested in these same decals, especially the '68 tachometer. An 
AMC guru friends suggested NOT doing the '68 tach, due to the seller's 
"instructions to make it easier to apply the decal...."  What about 
potential bubbling and breaking the tach needle?

Message: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:52:06 -0500
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Instrument panel decals
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Ebay has a seller offering decals to make your dash gauges for a 70 AMX or 
Javelin look like new.
Has anyone on the list bought or seen the decals and is willing to comment 
on their quality?
Don


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:57:54 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] fuel return
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IIRC the return line started with the 1975 models. 

Ken

Quoting John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>:

>  
> List
>  
> Snip
> wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB
> FOR A 76 PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to 
> engine flooding, overloading with fuel, black soot out of 
> the exhaust,
> Snip
>  
> Snip
> But the ole Amerrrican with YF uses a single line, no return,
> 3 - 6 PSI factory diaphragm fuel pump. Doesn't get simpler
> other than gravity fed updrafts :-)
> Snip
>  
> But the problem is happening with a 76 Pacer!
>  
> John
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:53:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] (no subject)
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, John Elle wrote:

> But the problem is happening with a 76 Pacer!

Oh kaey mee dum mee shut up nao


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:00:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 engine balance and flexplate
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marty Bricker wrote:

> Is the 258 internally or externally balanced?  Thanks.

The AMC Six is internally balanced; the flex plate has no
weights unless it was mistakenly taken froma  V8 donor car
(in which case you simply knock offf the weights).

Even if unbalanced, with the mass of the torque converter
attached, I would be very skeptical if it could shake apart a
904/998/999 Torqueflite!  Dubious! Dubious!

The 904 family is a FINE, SOLID, RELIABLE, NO-BRAINER
transmission.  There's nothing weird or delicate about it.
They rebuild fine and run forever assuming you don't abuse
it, keep it cool and full of fluid. Should run for 150K+ per
rebuild, and just get leaky and maybe slippy with extreme old
age, not do anything stupid like break.

The most common assembly problem is not engaging all three
splined/slotted shafts in the torque converter, in which case
it will leak in short order. But that's an amateur's problem,
not a pro rebuilder issue.

Sounds like an incompetant rebuilder, unfortunately.




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:06:20 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 401X Race Block: "If she were MY daughter..."
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For some reason,after reading Nicks'
post, I began hearing: 'The New Bitch' by ....: marilyn manson  ?... 
........?  use your FREE Shareaza .pgm to download the music video
if you're wondering ......


This is the 'X' block - that 'doesn't exist' -  no one has
actually seen one - and lived to remembered where they'd
even saw it, ever -



"Holy Grail" - "Block - 0h - Goal" - "No 'f'***in Way" - 
the whisperings 'X' block lore breatheren ...@ .050" lift -



If it IS the real deal - > :

like Unicorns and Mermaids, 
it's Fate is now terribly sealed:
remember what happened to 'Charley the Tuna' ?



It would make a Fantastic Magazine Article - as this is
THE center of AMC engine 'Lore' - at very least, it should
be Digitally Documented and Ultra-Sonic 'd Documented before ........ 
well, ........ you know..... 



Once word gets out, the 'Buzz' in the Forums - like the
'BULLTEAR' site,[soo-wee what an Image that conjurs
Martha!]

 it may eventually be sold to the highest bidder - 
with the least credentials -


he'll send it out to be *BUILT* - ......for his 
weekend rock crawler - "with 'The Biggest' pistons
ya' ever zeen"...erRRP@!! "yEAhBaBY...... tHAts'
tHe BeAST@!">,,,"we machined the PISS outa' er!...."


kinda' like Caesar in old'n days,
where he got to knock boots with the Brides before ..... well,
you know ..... .


Once it hits the machinist - it's just another 401 - right
now ?  it is THE ULTIMATE Turbo cylinder block - with
the 3.750 cylinder walls AND Thick main webbing, but
that will be overlooked by the less technical.

It'll serve as a weekend mudder 'Trophy' motor - until it loses oil 
pressure and 
'windows' the block  - , 

see duty as a 'Shop Lamp'  , being wired  up & placed on
a stand by the Kelvinator beer keep - where actually, it should
Begin a notable Retirement unfettered  right now -
but life is cruel - especially when 'Bragging Rites' are involved.

In a perfect world, it should be displayed in a glass case in an
AMC Racing Museum! - but that will never happen.

Maybe Larry Daum would buy it & keep it pristine next to that
Aluminum AMC Indy V8 motor - keeper of the Flame !



OK > one chance  to hear from each of you on what YOU would do with 
the:
'Mythical 401x Race Only Cylinder Block' - should YOU ever posess it
in its' current 'unmolested' condition !



"yEHaH ........ wunn hElL of ah KeG DiSPenSir !  

ShOOTs 'er BeER rIGhT oUT thuh CaM hOle@! ...cuZuh thuh Four BOLts iz 
WHy !@? ...juss squeezes out tha BrewSki......duHuH..! YellowRoadway 
Freight , yeahh.....Bow-Tie Boy .....street player .........!

''n whUZzz
tha  'X's tan for HennywaY...wun mite ask.....

FoReOhh wUN nex big holer- nex wun moRE forr.. ME!....plastic 
cuups... boring Bar...phffuh-hiCit....nevermine......;)"



        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe
   "The Heretic"




Anyone have any information on a 401 block with an X
above the displacement casting and only a 3.750 bore. 
There is also 401 cast into the intake valley.  It has
very large water jackets and splayed main caps.  It
might have been an endurance engine for one of the
racing sanctions with a long stroke and small bore.

Thanks,

Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance 
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
  
        



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