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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six(short
water pump) (Sandwich Maker)
3. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Mark Price)
5. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 33 (Nick Lenarz)
7. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Mark Price)
8. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Sandwich Maker)
9. Success at last! (Was: Continuing Saga of Doc the Jeep)
(Nick Lenarz)
10. Re: 66 hump mount four speed (Eddie Stakes)
11. 327 water pump (Anthony)
12. Re: Re; Carb rebuild help (Tom Jennings)
13. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30 (Tom Jennings)
14. (no subject) (John Elle)
15. Instrument panel decals (Don Johnson)
16. Need info on small bore 401 blcok (Nick ALFANO)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:07:34 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612141907.kBEJ7Yk20882@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: farna@xxxxxxx
"
" I checked my 66 and 67 TSMs. The 66 four speed shifter is ONE YEAR ONLY. It is basically the same as the 63-65 Twin-Stick shifter, with the obvious modification of three shift levers instead of only two, and no OD lever. You can't modify a T-S shifter to shift five gears (4+R) without the extra parts. The 67 and later four speed shifter bolts to the transmission. The 290 and four speed were mid year intros on the American. I would assume it used the 67 style shifter, though the 66 style would fit and work. I don't have a 66 American TSM, just big cars. Since it was a mid year intro the four speed and shifter won't be in the TSM though.
i do have a '66 01 tsm -with- v8 supplement, and the shifter is indeed
the '67-up tailshaft-mounted variety.
________________________________________________________________________
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adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:12:38 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six(short water pump)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612141912.kBEJCcL20985@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Speakin of old CJ's anyone kn ow what flavor axles came in what I would estimate to be late 60's early 70's narrowtrack CJ's? I know of a yard that had a few. I think at the time I loooked I thought they had Dana 44's in them, but it's beena while and now I'm not sure. Any idea of width and would they be worth anything? Ratios used?
from early cj days up to '75 the rears were all d44s, though spline
count changed as they evolved. fromts were all d27s or d30s. only
exceptions i know of were post office djs, jeepsters, and some 2wd cj3
niche models made after the cj5 was introduced, which usually had d27s
or d30s in back.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:14:33 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612141914.kBEJEXR21056@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
" Yeah, one of those 5x4.5" Dana 60's on eBay provided some entertainment for us a while back on our bulletin board. It sold for something around $1400, I think.
geeze, for that much you could have currie et al make you one!
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" From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
"
" > " From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
" > "
" > "
" >
" > mopar also put 9.25s and even dana 60s under cars, from the late '60s
" > through the '70s afaik.
" > ________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:30:48 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think a recent study showed that eBay kills off the brain cells governing common sense!
People are idiots paying way more for used stuff than new costs!
I bid once and if it surpasses that bid I usually shrug and walk away!
I can buy a local S10 disc brake rear axle for $250 any day of the week, yet I see epople continually paying $300 and more for them+ shipping!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Yeah, one of those 5x4.5" Dana 60's on eBay provided some entertainment for us a while back on our bulletin board. It sold for something around $1400, I think.
>
>
> -Spro
>
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> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
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> > " From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > "
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> > mopar also put 9.25s and even dana 60s under cars, from the late '60s
> > through the '70s afaik.
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay the genius nature
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:01:10 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
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I can only work so much from memory! Thanks for looking those tracks up
and correcting me Andrew!!
Sounds like the narrow track SJ axle would be a good candidate for the
63-66 Classic/Ambo (58-59" for SJ vs. ~57.5" for the Classic/Ambo) and
the wide track CJ axle a good candidate for the American (54.5" for CJ
vs. 55" for American). The wide track CJ axles are most likely AMC 20s
though. The only problem with swapping hubs is you need NEW hubs to put
on used axles, and new hubs are hard to find. You can't put used hubs on
another axle and expect them to last. Better to redrill the Jeep hubs.
Most production cars used 3.5" backset on 7" wheels. The 3.75" backset
wheels I ran were considered "custom backset" by American Racing. The 6"
Rambler wheels I had at one time had a 3" offset, IIRC. Most of the
older cars centered the disc in the rim, so the tread should be close to
the flange to flange width of the axle. There were exceptions -- such as
the Jaguar, but most standard wheels were centered on rear wheel drive
cars through the early 80s -- at least for the plain-Jane wheels and
tires. Styled wheels, like the Rallys and such, usually have an offset
to fit it in the car. But the generic stock wheels are most likely
centered.
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Date: Thursday, December 14, 2006 02:05 PM
From: andrew hay <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" It does state that "wheel to wheel" (mounting surfaces on drums?)
width
" of the narrow track Wagoneer (SJ) D44 axle is 58-59". The wide track
" axle is 61-62", which would make it 2-3" narrower than a 63-66
" Classic/Ambo axle (tread width on those is about 63"), and that should
" make it a good fit for an American. CJ AMC 20s are 50.5" narrow, 54.5"
" wide track.
according to my old stack of car&driver annual new car issues, rear
track on the '65-6 classic and ambo is 57.5". rear track on the
american is 55.5" and the hornet et al axle is the same as the early
amx and javelin, 1.5" wider than the american.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:11:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 33
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <683502.14337.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Found this on the Jeep Tech site. Should prove interesting to anyone
running a BBD carb with idle problems!
http://www.jeeptech.com/engine/carter.html
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I have implemented that mod on my BBD, and it seems to be working. I
recall the BBDs we had in the past all had similar problems except for
one, which may have already been modded like this before I got it.
Would that I had known! Webers are great carbs, but hella pricey, and
I've found (remembered, really) that the BBD is a decent carb once you
finally can get it tuned.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:18:02 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Yeah, sounds right I had a 87 SJ Dana 44 lined up for free for my 65, but the guy sold the Jeep whole before he parted it out. Can't blame him, but it owuld have been a good swap.
Mark Price
---- "Swygert wrote:
> I can only work so much from memory! Thanks for looking those tracks up
> and correcting me Andrew!!
>
> Sounds like the narrow track SJ axle would be a good candidate for the
> 63-66 Classic/Ambo (58-59" for SJ vs. ~57.5" for the Classic/Ambo) and
> the wide track CJ axle a good candidate for the American (54.5" for CJ
> vs. 55" for American).
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:50:31 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612142150.kBELoV323132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" Sounds like the narrow track SJ axle would be a good candidate for the
" 63-66 Classic/Ambo (58-59" for SJ vs. ~57.5" for the Classic/Ambo) and
" the wide track CJ axle a good candidate for the American (54.5" for CJ
" vs. 55" for American). The wide track CJ axles are most likely AMC 20s
" though.
they are; amc20 '76-'86 and wide track in the early '80s iirc. the
last few '86 cjs got d44s again.
" The only problem with swapping hubs is you need NEW hubs to put
" on used axles, and new hubs are hard to find. You can't put used hubs on
" another axle and expect them to last. Better to redrill the Jeep hubs.
true.
" Most production cars used 3.5" backset on 7" wheels. The 3.75" backset
" wheels I ran were considered "custom backset" by American Racing. The 6"
" Rambler wheels I had at one time had a 3" offset, IIRC.
maybe mine were 3.25" and not 3.75"... but the 15x7 mopar steelies i
had on my '65 [now going to mark price] have 4.25" backspacing.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:05:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Success at last! (Was: Continuing Saga of Doc the
Jeep)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <453240.95523.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well, I had a really great post all written up and I THOUGHT I posted
it, but I haven't seen it in several days. Oh, well. Rather than go
thru all the rigmarole of remembering what I wrote, I'll just
paraphrase.
I'm eating crow, and loving every bite!
To Tom, and all the others who gave suggestions during my trials with
my old '82 CJ-8, THANK YOU. Thanks for putting up with my complaints,
and for insisting on sticking to the basics.
As it turns out, many things that I thought I had checked were wrong...
don't know what I checked, or if I actually checked them vs. assuming
they were right, but whatever the case, they were wrong. Float height,
vacuum piston gap, choke pulloff, ALL wrong. The only thing that was
right was the accelerator pump setting!
Long story short, once the carb was back to stock specs, I put the
timing back to stock, then up to 7-8*.. before I couldn't run the
timing down far enough, or it would die. The end result is that it
starts straight away, and just hums! The choke stays on too long, but I
can just back off the choke coil a bit and go from there.
I've been driving the Jeep all this week, and it's been FANTASTIC.
Thanks again!
Nick
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:46:55 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 66 hump mount four speed
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <033101c71fd2$b73e38d0$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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In the 66 American TSM supplement, it has a whole section dedicated to the
"new" 290V8 and four speed. There are some blown up illustrations of the
clutch, trans setup and other things but do floor hump is shown, just trans
photos. Remember, thsi is a big transition year, so many changes from the
287/327 V8s and drivetrains to the 'new' 290/343 drivetrains. If whoever
needs this info wants to email me off list, I'll take some jpegs of the
illustrations and send them to you if you think it might help out.
There was a 66 Ambassador, 327, factory four speed for sale here in Houston
in about 1998. Neat car I passed on for sale for $2500, white top, red
bottom, ran great. No console which I thought was strange as had seen
consoles with four speeds in some 66 Rogues, and those consoles were long
and thin. Not squatty like the 68-70 aMX or Javelin ones.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:21:49 -0500
From: "Anthony" <f1boats@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 327 water pump
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001501c71fdf$09a19160$6401a8c0@SERVER>
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WATER PUMP. I have two 327s, one with and one without Air, The one with Air is smaller and has a shorter shaft and shorter bell, the one without air has long shaft and long bell bigger around. I need the short small dia.pully one for Air A.S.A.P. THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP ! ! !
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:50:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re; Carb rebuild help
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, John Elle wrote:
> For some mysterious reason the return fuel line has become
> disconnected and thus not used. The fuel filter would then
> have a single tit on each side rather than a single input
> tit and 2 output tits.
But the ole Amerrrican with YF uses a single line, no return,
3 - 6 PSI factory diaphragm fuel pump. Doesn't get simpler
other than gravity fed updrafts :-)
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Jamie Smith wrote:
> The aftermarket unit on my truck has the magnets wired to the drive shaft. Also, last year I went to Goodwill and found a complete after market kit still in the package for $15. (I bought it and plan on installing it on the American). It uses wire to hold the magnets.
I used magnets for my old Compucruise. I filed the driveshaft
clean at the spots the magnets were to go, m ixed up some JB
weld, epoxied the magnets to the driveshaft. Self-clamping! :-)
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:48:43 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000001c71ff3$8c1ec810$addc0d82@john1>
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List
Snip
wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB
FOR A 76 PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to
engine flooding, overloading with fuel, black soot out of
the exhaust,
Snip
Snip
But the ole Amerrrican with YF uses a single line, no return,
3 - 6 PSI factory diaphragm fuel pump. Doesn't get simpler
other than gravity fed updrafts :-)
Snip
But the problem is happening with a 76 Pacer!
John
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:52:06 -0500
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Instrument panel decals
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <00a301c71ffc$636e6f70$6400a8c0@DONS>
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Ebay has a seller offering decals to make your dash gauges for a 70 AMX or Javelin look like new.
Has anyone on the list bought or seen the decals and is willing to comment on their quality?
Don
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:52:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Need info on small bore 401 blcok
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone have any information on a 401 block with an X
above the displacement casting and only a 3.750 bore.
There is also 401 cast into the intake valley. It has
very large water jackets and splayed main caps. It
might have been an endurance engine for one of the
racing sanctions with a long stroke and small bore.
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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