Tom, Sorry for not quoting your subject correctly but I'm on digest mode. Didn't copy it correctly. any Tom said: Must be my lucky day. I figured I'd be at this all winter. I now have 32 degrees total advance -- with vacuum disconnected -- and no pinging under load. I will later this weekend plot a graph of the mechanical advance curve, but I got it road-tuned pretty close today. I'm now running 12 degrees static advance, 20 degrees mechanical, by fiddling springs got it to come in about 3200 rpm. That did the trick. It begins to ping under heavy load when the coolant temp gets hot-normal, eg. curb idle right as the electric fans come on, around 200 degrees. Then it will ping. As soon as it cools down driving, doesn't ping. (My test strip is Route 2, Glendale Freeway north of Broadway etc, up to the foothills; 50 - 90 mph.) It runs up to 4000 rpm without misfiring/popping (which I think was retard, before). It's hard to keep a heavy load on the engine above 4000 as I'm going too fast for urban highways. (75mph in 2nd gear is about 4300.) ---------------- I haven't had be Gremlin with 258 2bbl out on the road yet, but I'm thinking I will convert it to the GM HEI ignition. I have the distributor and Pertronix sells a kit for it with high performance module and more importantly with three sets of advance springs and adjustable vacuum advance. I'll keep you post and see how your advance numbers work in my 258 when it gets on the road, hopefully in a few weeks. Regards, Joe Fulton _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com