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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 65 classic tail lights needed (Matt Haas)
2. To Choke or Not to Choke (Brien Tourville)
3. Re: Hardened valve seats no longer available?
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
5. Re: seat belt color (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Re: Fuel Injecting the big dogs
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
7. Re: t-89/r10od (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: Old Seat Belts (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
9. Re: t-89/r10od (BUS-ENG)
10. 232 six & transmission (L. D. Lyons)
11. Re: '61 AMC Wagon for sale?? (Mark Price)
12. Re: 65 C;assis Tail Lights (Mark Price)
13. Re: Hardened valve seats no longer available? (Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:08:45 -0500
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 classic tail lights needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4576C0DD.8070805@xxxxxxx>
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These turn up on eBay pretty frequently (both NOS and aftermarket).
Also, check with the AMC vendors to see what they have. You may be able
to locate NOS assemblies (those turn up on eBay as well but not quite a
frequently) which would be cheaper in the long run than new lenses and
rechromed housings.
Matt
d stohler wrote:
> i was cruisin around town today in my 62 classic, and
> had a guy chase me down to talk to me about ramblers.
> said he has a 65 rambler. wanted me to follow him to
> his house and take a look at it to see how much it
> would take to get it back on the road. inherited it
> from his mom when she passed. it is a 65 classic 770 2
> door. has 287, auto. surface rust on hood, roof and
> trunk. trim is all intact. has one big dent on the
> left front fender. nothin sever. overall, nice shape.
> i am going to get the engine running for him, and see
> what else it will need to be driveable. it will need
> both tail light lenses however. one is completely
> gone, the other is half gone. anyone have a set they
> might part with? interior looks fair as i can see with
> all the "junk" he has stored inside of it. engine has
> been sittin for a while with no valvecovers. i think i
> can get it in good shape for him. dont appear to need
> alot of work to get it to driving again. i need to
> know what transmission that might be in there, and
> also about the tail lights. anyone able to help,
> thanks. im kinda excited to hopefully be able to get a
> second rambler on the road in town. hope everyone is
> havin a great day.
>
> dave stohler
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:20:01 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] To Choke or Not to Choke
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Nick Lenarz wrote:
> The NEW problem is that it won't idle when cold.
> Anyone have any suggestions?
<>
I;ve found Yak Dung, spread gingerly over
the exhaust manifold and heat riser while bouncing
the butterfly and chanting: 'Putin-Putin' holds promise...
anyone with similar results ?
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:06:47 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hardened valve seats no longer available?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Justin, that the hardened seats are no longer available should tell you
something -- they aren't really required! I ran a 196 for years with no
seats. You have to really hammer on an engine to cause any appreciable
wear in the valve seats before the rest of the engine is worn out. You
might have to have a valve job in 80K miles vs. 100K miles with the hard
seats (or leaded fuel). Most older model heads are good for at least two
valve regrinds before the seats are recessed to much. I never recommend
the seats unless the valve seats are recessed (which would be due to
normal wear/high mileage). Then it's generally cheaper to get another
head. Of course that's not so easy with the 196! I'm sure standard
replaceable seats should still be available if not hardened.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:07:47 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
To: <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A310D803@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I don't know if Jeep hubs will interchange, but wouldn't be surprised if
XJ Cherokee hubs will. I do know there are two different designs of hubs
used on the Eagles. One is easily rebuilt by replacing the bearings and
seals, and the other is available only as a preassembled unit. I suspect
the unit is the later model, but I'm not "up" enough on Eagles to say
for sure. You'll most likely find an answer over at
www.amceaglenest.com though.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:07:46 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] seat belt color
To: <bikerfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A310D7FF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Steve, I've recolored seatbelts before, but it isn't recommended. The
dye (or spray paint in my case -- nylon belts don't dye well!) COULd
cause damage to the fibers and weaken the belt. I didn't experience any
problems, but didn't have a head on collision with a brick wall or
anything to test them either. So it's strictly "at your own risk".
The 70s tight weave nylon belts will handle acrylic paint very well, I
wouldn't try using a cloth dye on anything other than the early 60s
fabric belts.
You can get new belts from http://www.julianos.com/seat_belts.html in
any color and several styles. They even make shoulder retrofit kits.
That's the best and safest way to recolor old belts -- replace them!
Julianos might be able to sew in the old buckles on new belts -- I've
heard of someone having that done, but don't recall where. Juliano's
does have the chrome "lift latch" type used in 60s Ramblers though.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:07:47 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fuel Injecting the big dogs
To: <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A310D800@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I haven't seen one -- I don't think it's in stores yet, but check this
out:
http://www.retrotekspeed.com/
It's a TBI type unit with four injectors (one per barrel). The injectors
are hidden under false "float bowl" covers. Looks and fits exactly like
a 4V carb -- same height and uses standard 4V air cleaner assemblies.
The fuel feed even looks like a standard 4V setup! Only one fuel line
(no return). Pressure is controlled by the computer "pulse modulating"
the electric pump -- varying voltage to maintain pressure.
The easy part is the computer setup! You use a PC to input the basic
info. That should be enough to get the car running. Then just drive it!
The PCM is a "learn on the go" type. It will adjust itself to your
engine and driving as long as the initial inputs are close. Naturally
any computer only has a certain range of adjustment, but it starts with
your inputs. No chips to burn or setting to play with! Want to try
another cam? Connect back to the PC and make the changes, swap cams,
then drive a bit!
THIS is what the aftermarket has really been needing! It's easier than
bolting on a carb! You do have to get the size you need (750 or 1000),
but a slightly bigger one shouldn't hurt on an EFI system. Since it's a
"wet manifold" you do need to maintain velocity, so this is limited to
350 and larger engines. If these sell well maybe they can be convinced
to make some smaller ones. A 600-650 would be nice, so would a 400-450
for sixes. I doubt there would be many applications for over 1000 cfm --
a pair of 600-650s or even 750s would supply that though!
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:07:47 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-89/r10od
To: <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A310D802@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Full synchro? I thought it was like the T-96 -- only one between 2nd and
3rd -- my bad!!
I was looking for one -- nearly three years ago before I put the AW-4
in!! Would have preferred the OD unit, but not enough to swap now!
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:07:47 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Old Seat Belts
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A310D804@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Looks like a good product. If you're going to be keeping the kids for a
while the weld in product might be best. You could use a 2" square or so
piece of 1/8" steel plate under the floor and bolt it in. I usually just
use a pair of fender washers bent to conform to the floor. It COULD pull
out, but if I hit something hard enough to pull a 1.5" washer through a
3/8" hole, I don't think I'm going to be real worried about it... What
would actually happen, if it "pulled out", is the floor metal would rip
at the hole. Same thing though -- not likely to happen in any sort of
wreck I'd want to survive! Would take a head on collision with a Mack
truck to rip the floor metal...
I installed rear shoulder belts in the back of my wagon for two
passengers (center is still lap belt, but rarely used). I searched the
local pick-n-pull until I found a rear belt that was mounted in a way I
could adapt. Since the retractors would be exposed they needed to be
covered. I think the ones I have came from a Nissan four door. I just
anchored them to the top of the wheel wells. I don't have the plastic
covers in the back though, they were to cracked up to be of any use. I
covered the humps with carpet and made flat panels for the sides similar
to door panels. You could probably mount similar belts in your Eagle
wagon. Would still leave the center with lap belts though.
I know I stated that I've recolored seat belts before, but I prefer to
change to something newer. The ones I recolored were the old early 60s
fabric belts. I'm using early 1990s Chevy S-10 Blazer front shoulder
belts in my car now, early 90s Nissan in the rear.
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Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 06:19 AM
From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Speaking of seat belts... Soon my oldest daughter will not be able to
fit in the car seat she uses in the Eagle. I was considering using the
set up from these folks http://www.ezonpro.com/ (or something similar)
in the Eagle for the rear seat. Three setups would allow me to seat my
daughter (with) and niece (without) a booster seat and my youngest in
her car seat. When they're ready, they'll be able to sit in the back
with more than just a lap belt. They have a set up that welds to the
floor and has two shoulder belts that come up and over with loops that
the OE lap belts go through giving a four-point harness.
Has anyone tackled this problem in their old AMC? Thoughts on this?
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:30:02 -0500
From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-89/r10od
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <02c901c71943$04548660$0400a8c0@ts800>
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Does anyone have direct experience with
this transmission behind a 232?
What would be involved with swapping
this unit with the T-14 (non-OD)
currently in my '69 American wagon?
Thanks,
Jay
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:45:54 -0600
From: "L. D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 232 six & transmission
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <015a01c71945$3bb899a0$6401a8c0@lyonsamd2000xp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks to all who provided information and I'm sure that there will be more pleas for help down the road. I'm really anxious to get all the stuff here so I can get started
Butch Lyons
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 6:56:04 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] '61 AMC Wagon for sale??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Join the crowd!
No time!
advice, Stay off of mountain bikes!
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Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm debating on whether or not I'll ever get the time to do what I want
> with this car. We really like it, but 2 kids, house, self employment, 2
> other classic cars, etc make for a busy enough life.
> here's pics: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html
>
> Would anyone be interested in purchasing it? So far, all I've done is
> have the starter rebuilt, bought 4 tires and had them mounted on the
> wheels, a mirror glass, a new batter, change antifreeze, a NOS tailgate
> handle, and re-torque the head bolts.
>
> --
> I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, Than live my
> life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:14:02 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 C;assis Tail Lights
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Cc: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Yeah, I've seen tons of NORS 65 Classic taillights go thru on eBay.
Must have been a bunch of them run off by some company or other.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I would advise your friend to empty the junk out of
> the car and the trunk before he assesses was parts he
> needs. You never know what you may find. Many if not
> most of the junkyard cars I encounter have spare parts
> tucked away in them. A 63 Ambassador I parted out had
> four Rambler gas caps (Now I know where the all
> went.).
>
> If you can't find a couple of lenses locally, check
> Ebay. I seem to recall 65 Classic NOS lenses being
> listed frequently and for fair prices too.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:47:36 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hardened valve seats no longer available?
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Cc: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
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As everyone has let you know, unless you already have damage or recessed valves, don't worry about it. That head is HARD, it will wear for a long time.
In the early days of installing valve seats, likely not relavent now but maybe, I've seen more damage done by putting seats in a good head! If not done right they can actually drop or work loose.
If you can't find seats, and the head really is worn, I'd try to find a slightly oversized valve. I'm not sure what can be found as I haven't looked into it. On the flip side, someone will be able to make or provide seats. There are way too many old engines out there for something not to be workable in the 196.
--
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Morgantown, WV
---- Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Guys:
>
> I am rebuilding a head for a cast iron 196 OHV engine, and one of the big AMC parts vendors recently emailed me that hardened valve seats are no longer being manufactured. He said: "The last company to make those closed last year and with them the stock was disposed of."
>
> Has anyone else heard this?
>
> If any of you have valve seats you are willing to sell, please give me a holler.
>
> Justin
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